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From "P. Taylor Goetz" <ptgo...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Podling report format changes
Date Wed, 25 Jan 2017 19:41:04 GMT
+1

-Taylor

> On Jan 25, 2017, at 10:43 AM, John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org> wrote:
> 
> Just to provide, here's the proposed patch I have for the website
> 
> Index: content/guides/ppmc.xml
> ===================================================================
> --- content/guides/ppmc.xml (revision 1780221)
> +++ content/guides/ppmc.xml (working copy)
> @@ -43,7 +43,7 @@
>     <section id="PPMC+Mail+List">
>       <title>Private Mail List</title>
> 
> -        <p>A private mail list, named <em>project</em>-private, lets
> +        <p>A private mail list, named private@<em>project</em>, lets
>         the PPMC discuss confidential topics.
>         <em>Most communication should be on the Podling's dev list!</em>
>         The private list is used only for confidential discussions that
> @@ -107,8 +107,12 @@
>         <li> Project name and one-line summary.</li>
>         <li> Date of entry to the Incubator.</li>
>         <li> Top three items to resolve before graduation.</li>
> +        <li> Internal issues that may require IPMC or Board input</li>
> +        <li> How has the community changed</li>
> +        <li> How has the project changed</li>
> +        <li> How mature the project feels they are</li>
>       </ul>
> -
> +
>       <p>Here are the points to be addressed:</p>
>       <ul>
>         <li>Is there anything that the Incubator PMC or ASF Board
> 
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 6:41 AM John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org> wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 12:40 AM P. Taylor Goetz <ptgoetz@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm fine with 1 and 3, but 2 gives me pause. I like the idea of the
>> maturity model, but is it yet another burden on mentors?
>> 
>> 
>> I would hope not.  How often are mentors writing the reports for podlings,
>> vs pushing that the podlings write the reports themselves?  I guess its a
>> factor of how embedded within the podling that mentor is.  And granted, I'm
>> not pushing that its the ComDev Apache Project Maturity Model [1] being
>> followed
>> 
>> [1]:
>> http://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> If we are trying to increase mentor engagement, we probably don't want to
>> set too high  a bar.
>> 
>> -Taylor
>> 
>>> On Jan 24, 2017, at 8:15 PM, John D. Ament <john.d.ament@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> All,
>>> 
>>> The Incubator PMC has received feedback from the board that changes may
>>> need to be made to the structure of our report.  Specifically, there is
>>> confusion from the board members over how podlings get classified.  There
>>> is also a request to increase and improve mentor feedback on podling
>>> reports.  Based on this input, I would like to propose the following
>>> changes to our report format.  I would like to try to implement this for
>>> the March report, if not before then.
>>> 
>>> 1. Eliminate the podling summary section of the report.  It shouldn't be
>> on
>>> the report manager to classify each podling.  We have begun leveraging a
>>> maturity model for podlings, while its not required to fulfill it serves
>> as
>>> an equivalent to this section.  The list of podlings who failed to report
>>> shall remain.
>>> 
>>> 2. Add a "Podling Maturity Assessment" to the individual podling reports.
>>> This would give a clear opportunity for each podling to describe how they
>>> are doing, perhaps compared to the maturity model or our classic
>> categories.
>>> 
>>> 3. Change the mentor sign off section to include a per-mentor comment.
>>> E.g. instead of the current:
>>> 
>>> [ ](podling) mentor1
>>> [ ](podling) mentor2
>>> [ ](podling) mentor3
>>> 
>>> It would be:
>>> 
>>> [ ](podling) mentor1
>>> Comments:
>>> [ ](podling) mentor2
>>> Comments:
>>> [ ](podling) mentor3
>>> Comments:
>>> 
>>> And rename Shepherd/Mentor notes: to just "Shepherd notes:"
>>> 
>>> Thoughts?
>>> 
>>> John
>> 
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