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From: "John D. Ament" <johndament@apache.org>
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 16:33:19 +0000
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Subject: Re: Omitting "-incubating" suffix in Maven artifact version attribute
 for FreeMarker
To: general@incubator.apache.org, Daniel Dekany <ddekany@freemail.hu>
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Just to level set.  I don't think its fair to expect a special policy for a
single podling.

On Sat, Dec 31, 2016 at 9:40 AM Daniel Dekany <ddekany@freemail.hu> wrote:

> The original question in this thread is much less generic than in the
> linked one though, so it's certainly easier to answer. Just as a
> reminder, the specialities are these:
>
> - This project already have suffixless releases from before
>   incubation, which are widely used. If the incubation fails, those
>   versions won't be any better that the incubating ones. After all, ASF
>   won't go around and delete those releases from the Maven Central,
>   from SF.net, etc.
>
> - The project doesn't have an org.apache.* Maven groupId, nor a such
>   Java package (in 2.x.x, because of backward compatibility, and we
>   are talking about 2.x.x only here). So as far as I see it's quite
>   unlikely that the user will see "Apache" without "incubating"
>   because we have removed it from the *Maven* version number, at least
>   if we change <name>Apache FreeMarker</name> in the POM to
>   <name>Apache FreeMarker (incubating)</name>.
>
> --
> Thanks,
>  Daniel Dekany
>
>
> Saturday, December 31, 2016, 1:50:02 PM, Martijn Dashorst wrote:
>
> > For reference, please read this thread from 2008:
> >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/0b6c065a908c5f9ec39fa78c31b39c83a6fea29eb34fada0ee070413@1222432864@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
> >
> > It has all the arguments for and against the -incubating versioning
> > label, and why the disclaimer exists. Warning: it is long (I haven't
> > even reached the conclusion after about an hour of reading).
> >
> > It goes of a bit about releasing through Maven, and some quibles with
> > central repository management and releases and other politics, but it
> > should be enlightening to see all positions. Read it with an open mind
> > and don't look only for the bits that support your position, but try
> > to understand the other side as well.
> >
> > Martijn
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 6:54 PM, Jacopo Cappellato
> > <jacopo.cappellato@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 8:44 PM, Martijn Dashorst <
> >> martijn.dashorst@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> [...]
> >>> Freemarker has been in incubation for 17 months. What do you need to
> >>> learn and do before you will start your graduation vote?
> >>>
> >>
> >> In my opinion the Freemarker project would be ready to successfully
> pass a
> >> graduation vote and a discussion thread is going on in the project's
> >> mailing list; based on how the conversation is going the community may
> >> decide to wait a few more weeks in order to try to attract some
> committers.
> >> However I think that the topic discussed in this thread (about the
> concern
> >> that the "-incubating" suffix may mislead the consumers about the
> stability
> >> of a software product) is a valid one; even if its output will not
> probably
> >> affect Freemarker (that could be a TLP by then).
> >>
> >> Jacopo
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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