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From "John D. Ament" <john.d.am...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Apache Beam podling graduation readiness
Date Sun, 04 Dec 2016 15:10:06 GMT
Hi JB

It seems like podlings aren't tracking PPMC vs committers right now, at
least not consistently.  I did find one podling who does have it listed -
http://incubator.apache.org/projects/metron.html

Is the list of the "committers" as per
http://incubator.apache.org/projects/beam.html equivalent to the current
PPMC?  I'm wondering, looking at the make up of PMC vs who's in the
committers list, why don't they want to be on the PMC?

John

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 9:52 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb@nanthrax.net> wrote:

> Hi John,
>
> Not sure I fully understand you. What do you mean ?
>
> The proposed PMC members are already PPMC on the podling.
>
> Regards
> JB
>
> On 12/04/2016 02:47 PM, John D. Ament wrote:
> > My gut says graduate, however I have one comment below.
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 10:42 PM Frances Perry <frances@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >>>
> >>>>     * PMC composition:
> >>>>          * Tyler Akidau <takidau@apache.org>, Google
> >>>>          * Davor Bonaci <davor@apache.org>, Google
> >>>>          * Robert Bradshaw <robertwb@apache.org>, Google
> >>>>          * Ben Chambers <bchambers@apache.org>, Google
> >>>>          * Luke Cwik <lcwik@apache.org>, Google
> >>>>          * Stephan Ewen <sewen@apache.org>, data Artisans
> >>>>          * Dan Halperin <dhalperi@apache.org>, Google
> >>>>          * Kenneth Knowles <kenn@apache.org>, Google
> >>>>          * Aljoscha Krettek <aljoscha@apache.org>, data Artisans
> >>>>          * Maximilian Michels <mxm@apache.org>, data Artisans
> >>>>          * Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jbonofre@apache.org>, Talend
> >>>>          * Frances Perry <frances@apache.org>, Google
> >>>>          * Amit Sela <amitsela@apache.org>, PayPal
> >>>>          * Josh Wills <jwills@apache.org>, Slack
> >>>
> >>> Can you please provide current company affiliations of the proposed
> >>> PMC members?
> >>>
> >>
> >
> > In addition, since its not called out on your project page, which of
> these
> > are current PPMC members and which are just committers?  Everyone is
> listed
> > as committer on http://incubator.apache.org/projects/beam.html .  I'm a
> bit
> > worried about the "private/indirectly" comment made somewhere else (not
> > mixing public/private emails...)
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> (Added above)
> >>
> >> If you include committers, that adds representation from DataTorrent and
> >> Smoking Hand, reducing Google representation to 53%.
> >>
> >>
> > I feel like this number.. the fact that it's being counted is a bit odd.
> > While we want to make sure the community is diverse, I would be hesitant
> to
> > add people just because it counters Google's direct influence on the
> > project.  Even if Google only makes up 20% of a proposed PMC, if it's
> > housing 90% of the active developers on the project that would still
> give a
> > single company higher influence.
> >
> >
> >>
> >>> Question #2: who are you proposing as a PMC chair?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Davor Bonaci
> >>
> >
>
> --
> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> jbonofre@apache.org
> http://blog.nanthrax.net
> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>
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