incubator-general mailing list archives

Site index · List index
Message view « Date » · « Thread »
Top « Date » · « Thread »
From Emilian Bold <...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Omitting "-incubating" suffix in Maven artifact version attribute for FreeMarker
Date Thu, 29 Dec 2016 20:41:20 GMT
I wonder how much analysys there was done before picking this -incubating
suffix.

It's really ASF specific and I doubt that most end users know what it is
supposed to mean.

An embryo undergoes incubation so it's easy to see how -incubating is
associated with an alpha product.


În joi, 29 dec. 2016 la 21:44 Martijn Dashorst <martijn.dashorst@gmail.com>
a scris:

> You are trying to fix the wrong thing. The whole idea of the
>
> -incubating moniker is to communicate to end users that the project is
>
> inside the incubator, and can fail incubation. The only and best way
>
> to get rid of the -incubating scheme is to *graduate*.
>
>
>
> Don't remain in the incubator hiding in your community, but fix those
>
> licensing issues, grow your community, reach out to the wider
>
> incubator community outside your 3 monthly report and hook up with
>
> other Apache projects for collaboration.
>
>
>
> Freemarker has been in incubation for 17 months. What do you need to
>
> learn and do before you will start your graduation vote?
>
>
>
> Martijn
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 2:18 AM, Daniel Dekany <ddekany@freemail.hu>
> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
>
> >
>
> > The last release of Apache FreeMarker (incubating) has these Maven
>
> > coordinates:
>
> >
>
> >     <groupId>org.freemarker</groupId>
>
> >     <artifactId>freemarker</artifactId>
>
> >     <version>2.3.25-incubating</version>
>
> >
>
> > The "-incubating" in the Maven version is confusing for the users, as
>
> > it looks as the version number of an unstable release, and it seems
>
> > that this causes many to stick to the last non-Apache release from 1.5
>
> > years ago. (See the "*" footnote if you want some more details.)
>
> >
>
> > As far as I know there's no explicit requirement for having
>
> > "incubating" in the Maven artifact version number. So, I wonder, can
>
> > we just omit "-incubating" from the Maven artifact versions from now
>
> > on? In FreeMarker's case the Maven groupId doesn't contain org.apache
>
> > (I know, it should, but that's a different topic), so I guess there's
>
> > less danger of branding confusion here. Of course, the version number
>
> > would remain x.x.x-incubating in the file names of the releases
>
> > downloadable from apache.org and so on. Also, in case it bothers
>
> > anyone, the "name" element in the Maven POM could be changed from
>
> > "Apache FreeMarker" to "Apache FreeMarker (incubating)" (or just to
>
> > "FreeMarker").
>
> >
>
> > *: For those not working in the Java ecosystem, know that many users
>
> >    will not go to the project home page nowadays to find the latest
>
> >    version, just look at the versions at the Maven Central. Without
>
> >    any place for explanation, "2.3.25-incubating" and such are often
>
> >    believed to be development versions. (I have seen a few user
>
> >    queries that indicated that too.) It certainly doesn't help either
>
> >    that http://mvnrepository.com automatically marks these incubating
>
> >    versions with red (~ alpha). Also, on the same place the last
>
> >    non-Apache release has almost 5x more usages than the last two
>
> >    "-incubating" releases together, which is suspicious. Spring has
>
> >    also stuck at that version for some reason.
>
> >
>
> > --
>
> > Thanks,
>
> >  Daniel Dekany
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
>
> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Become a Wicket expert, learn from the best: http://wicketinaction.com
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
>
> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>
>
>
>

Mime
  • Unnamed multipart/alternative (inline, None, 0 bytes)
View raw message