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From "John D. Ament" <johndam...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Clarification of Mentors from Proposal Guide
Date Fri, 25 Nov 2016 15:06:30 GMT
Right, to be 100% clear, the part that I'm saying should be removed is more
around the "appointment" side not the role during proposal.  Though I will
say with the right mentors on board, seeing activity during the proposal
process is not uncommon and usually a good thing.

I actually missed the comma there thinking it was a period. ;-)

John

On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 10:01 AM Stian Soiland-Reyes <stain@apache.org>
wrote:

> I think practically mentors volunteer and the podling accept, IPMC does not
> really need to decide on that. In the rare cases of many mentor volunteers
> it may be useful for the Incubator community to guide the podling on which
> mentors would be more beneficial, but then for the podling to pick rather
> than IPMC (who?) to "appoint". In that sense IPMC just rubber stamp the
> mentor list.
>
> The point of the paragraph is that it is the Champion and Incubator
> community overall that guides at the proposal stage, not particularly the
> nominee mentors (although usually now the champion is also one of the
> mentors). So we can shorten the paragraph to just:
>
> > Mentors have no formal role until the proposal is accepted.
>
> And if a mentor comes along after acceptance, then I think it is enough for
> the podling to accept that person, as long as they are on IPMC there is no
> need to do any formal appointment beyond updating the right files. (an ASF
> Member may ask to join IPMC first).
>
> On 25 Nov 2016 2:05 pm, "John D. Ament" <johndament@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > All,
> >
> > I was wondering if someone could help me clarify this block of text.
> This
> > is the section I believe is at an issue:
> >
> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/proposal.html#template-mentors
> >
> > *It is common for additional Mentors to volunteer their services during
> the
> > development of the proposal. The number of Mentors for a Podling is
> limited
> > only by the energy and interest of those eligible to Mentor. Three
> Mentors
> > gives a quorum and allows a Podling more autonomy. The current consensus
> is
> > that three or more Mentors makes the incubation process run more
> smoothly.*
> >
> > *Note that since Mentors are appointed by the Incubator PMC at the end of
> > the acceptance process, they have no formal role until the proposal is
> > accepted. But informal enthusiasm from nominee Mentors is taken as a good
> > sign.*
> >
> > In the first paragraph, we're saying that Mentors volunteer.  But the
> > second paragraph states that they are appointed by the IPMC.  I'm
> inclined
> > to just remove that first sentence from the proposal guide.  Anyone
> else's
> > thoughts?
> >
> > John
> >
>

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