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From "John D. Ament" <johndam...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Apache Beam release 0.3.0-incubating
Date Sun, 30 Oct 2016 15:04:15 GMT
Craig,

Your definition matches my definition from 3 years ago, which I had used
for a long while until someone told me I'm wrong.  Are you on legal
discuss?  Let's move this over there.

On Oct 30, 2016 10:50, "Craig Russell" <craig.russell@oracle.com> wrote:


> On Oct 30, 2016, at 6:03 AM, John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org> wrote:
>
> On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 10:53 PM Craig Russell <craig.russell@oracle.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>> On Oct 29, 2016, at 1:54 PM, John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 4:51 PM Justin Mclean <justin@classsoftware.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>>> -1 due to the kinesis library issue.
>>>>
>>>> Can you provide a bit more detail on what the objection is with the
>>>> kinesis library? Given it's optional and not being distributed I
thought
>>>> this would cover it? [1]
>>>>
>>>
>>> I obviously have a different take than you.  I'm more worried about the
>>> derived works aspect of the license as it stands.
>>
>> What part of the release is a “derived work”?
>>
>
> I consider the library to be the derived work (I know on the JIRA there's
> some discussion over that).
>
> I'm still a bit lost on how Cat X licenses can be included as
dependencies,
> seems to go against https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved#category-x
>
Here’s my take:

I believe the relevant part of legal are
https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved#prohibited
and https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved#optional

Just to be clear on terminology in this use case: The kinesis library is
category-x and cannot be distributed by an Apache project under any
circumstances. And cannot be put into source control.

The spark-kinesis module that was written by the project and does not
contain any library code is optional and depends on the library. Building
the module dynamically links to the library using the build tools. The
module can be distributed in source and convenience binary forms.

There are no derived works regarding the library and module.

Craig
>
>
>>
>> Craig
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Justin
>>>>
>>>> 1. http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#optional
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>>
>> Craig L Russell
>> clr@apache.org
>>
>>
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Craig L Russell
clr@apache.org



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