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From Niclas Hedhman <nic...@hedhman.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Olympian Incubation Proposal
Date Sat, 01 Oct 2016 15:05:49 GMT
Agree with you on all points, Taylor.

And I am even quite surprised to see the number of people backing the
project, yet Apache is adamant to get involved. It feels a little bit like
the "Community over Code" and "Independent of any Corporate Influences"
have both received a big fat slap in their faces, and I think this hurts
the ASF more than any fallout with named corporation.

Disappointing to me...

Niclas

On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 7:32 AM, P. Taylor Goetz <ptgoetz@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think the community behind this proposal is ready to accept defeat at
> this point. With DataStax' objection, the project simply can't be brought
> under the auspices of the ASF unless DataStax reverses its stance.
>
> Personally, I'm somewhat discouraged to see a company I once held in high
> regard in  terms of supporting OSS and the ASF take this action. This
> represents a further erosion of that respect. It is what it is. I can't
> fault DataStax for trying to protect their bottom line. They are well
> within their rights here. It could be considered a stain on their
> relationship with the ASF, or not.
>
> The community seems committed to moving forward with a fork, whether it is
> considered hostile or friendly. From discussions I've been privy to, if
> DataStax were to reverse their stance, this community would come back to
> the ASF in a heartbeat. There's a community behind this code, and they
> deserve the right to move forward.
>
> I think they will, unfortunately not at the ASF. At least for now. Nothing
> would please me more than to see this community be able to come to Apache.
>
> -Taylor
>
> > On Sep 30, 2016, at 4:15 AM, Tom Barber <tom.barber@meteorite.bi> wrote:
> >
> > I like the re-licensing threat.... get it forked on github and prove to
> > them there is a willing community out there!
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >> On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 4:17 AM, P. Taylor Goetz <ptgoetz@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I'd leave it open for now. I imagine/hope there are enough people aware
> of
> >> this thread that the sentiments expressed here might affect a change.
> >>
> >> -Taylor
> >>
> >>>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, Henry Saputra <henry.saputra@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> With obvious block due to Datastax response, shall I CLOSE this DISCUSS
> >>> thread until further updates, if any?
> >>>
> >>>> On Thursday, September 29, 2016, P. Taylor Goetz <ptgoetz@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> For the record I'd be -1 as well unless DataStax chose to support it.
> >>>>
> >>>> I would like to give them time to change their mind though.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Taylor
> >>>>
> >>>>>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:37 PM, Greg Stein <gstein@gmail.com
> >>>>> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sep 29, 2016 19:22, "P. Taylor Goetz" <ptgoetz@gmail.com
> >>>> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>>>>> ...
> >>>>>> They can block a move to the ASF, but they can’t block a fork
of the
> >>>>> project moving elsewhere. Strong communities will regroup and live
> on.
> >>>>> DataStax' reluctance to allow it could very easily be interpreted
as
> a
> >>>>> rejection of the ASF governance model or the Foundation itself.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yes, the community could certainly launch their fork at GitHub or
> some
> >>>>> such. DataStax provided them with that ability via the ALv2 license.
> >> The
> >>>>> ASF is not a necessary step for that community.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> ...
> >>>>>> Can we wait and see if DataStax is willing to do the right thing
> >> before
> >>>>> shooting down the proposal as a hostile fork?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My vote remains -1. That can change, based on their choices.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>> -g
> >>>>
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