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From: David Nalley <david@gnsa.us>
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 19:22:07 -0400
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Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal
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On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 6:36 PM, Geertjan Wielenga
<geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Notes on the NetBeans infrastructure from the NetBeans build engineer. Wh=
o
> from Apache infra is going to do 1:1 discovery?

Daniel Gruno will - feel free to reach out directly to him at
humbedooh@apache.org

In the meantime, this is a good but of information, Thanks!

--David
>
> Public servers:
> - www.netbeans.org: The core of the netbeans.org project, as well as user
> management, bugzilla, and mailing lists.
> - hg.netbeans.org: 1 VM with 32 Mercurial repositories. The main
> repositories are main-golden, main-silver, releases, and all team
> repositories (core-main, cnd-main, jet-main, profiler-main, ergonomics),
> localization repository (releases/l10n). Several of the repos are inactiv=
e
> and don't need to be migrated. Repos are available via http/https. The
> server doesn=E2=80=99t have its own authentication mechanism. Authenticat=
ion for
> pushes is realized via JSON request from www.netbeans.org. The special
> directory http://hg.netbeans.org/binaries/ on the server contains and
> provides 3rd party libraries.
> - deadlock.netbeans.org: 6 VMs, used mainly for propagation of changes
> between team repositories and to the releases repository, including jobs
> for building community plugins (releases*-au) and jobs for prototype
> projects.
> - bits.netbeans.org: 1 VM, which is the backup download server and is the
> server for Javahelp and JNLP. The Nexus server runs there and it provides
> NetBeans Maven artifacts.
> - downloads.oracle.com and updates.netbeans.org: The main download server
> for installers and update centers. Bits are in fact published on Akami
> servers all over the world. The server is not under NetBeans team control=
.
> We only upload data to a specific place and they are processed somehow by
> Akami.
> - statistics.netbeans.org: A machine providing statistics on NetBeans usa=
ge.
> - plugins.netbeans.org: The server for community plugins.
> - forums.netbenas.org: NetBeans forums.
> - services.netbeans.org: Services such as anti spam filters for bugzilla
> are here, as well as weekly NetBeans newsletter maintenance.
>
> Internal servers:
> - nbbuilder: 5 VMs. The Hudson server with its slaves, where nightly buil=
ds
> and release builds are run.
> - nbbuilder2: 5 VMs. The Hudson server with its slaves, where Maven
> repositories are generated.
> - big-mac: Physical machine used for Mac OS X installers.
> - nbstrorage: Internal storage for all NetBeans bits, access is allowed f=
or
> internal users only via HTTP.
> - Oracle signing server: NetBeans build jobs using Oracle signing
> infrastructure for signing installers and NBMs.
>
> Comments or follow up to the above?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gj
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 11:38 PM, Shane Curcuru <asfl@shanecurcuru.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Mitch Claborn wrote on 9/15/16 11:07 AM:
>> > I'm very new in this type of thing. I have zero experience with ASF,
>> > etc, so if this is out of line, please forgive and I'll keep silent.
>> >
>> > I've seen a lot of discussion about the HOW in terms of moving NetBean=
s
>> > to the Apache project, but not much/any discussion about WHY. I'm not =
a
>> > NetBeans coder/contributor, but simply someone who uses it 8+ hours pe=
r
>> > day in my normal job.
>> >
>> > My main question is: will moving NetBeans to Apache result in a better
>> > product for people like me? If so, what particular aspects of moving
>> > will make that happen? Are there other projects that have made a simil=
ar
>> > move and experienced higher quality as a result?
>>
>> As Bertrand noted else-thread: the move is because the actual people
>> planning to *work on the code* want to make the move (and obviously
>> Oracle is happy to help with the IP donations).
>>
>> Apache is here to help communities of individual contributors build
>> software products for the public good.  We welcome any community that
>> wants to use the Apache Way of open, collaborative decision making, and
>> that will use our license and other structures.  The existing people
>> actually coding NetBeans are making the proposal, and the Apache
>> Incubator is happy to review it to see if it will fit here (seems like
>> it will, albeit with plenty of licensing and infrastructure changes).
>>
>> Many people believe that in the long run it *will* make for a better
>> product for users, because becoming an independently governed project at
>> the ASF will draw in more code (and test, doc, plugin, etc.)
>> contributors from new places to help improve the product.
>>
>> Does that make sense?
>>
>> - Shane
>>
>>
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