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From: Ross Gardler <Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com>
To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>,
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Subject: Re: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings (was: [DISCUSS] Apache
 NetBeans Incubator Proposal)
Thread-Topic: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings (was: [DISCUSS] Apache
 NetBeans Incubator Proposal)
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The ASF need to justify spending an extra $10k per year in this one project=
 at the expense of that $10k going to other projects.

Don't make the request until the IPMC can present an argument that a move o=
f NetBeans to the ASF will reverse the decline in interest that NetBeans is=
 seeing.

It may sound trivial, but we can support three "traditional" ASF projects f=
or NetBeans budget. As a charity we need to think carefully about how we sp=
end our money. A solid argument that this would reverse the downward trend =
for NetBeans will go a long way to reassuring me (as one member, but also a=
s the person ultimately responsible for paying such a budget request to the=
 board).

Ross

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________________________________
From: Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 4:04:34 PM
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings (was: [DISCUSS] Apache NetB=
eans Incubator Proposal)

Should this request come from IPMC? Seems like it should be at least a coop
request between infra (who get the budget and the operational onus) and
incubator (who cause the problem).

Certainly the budget shouldn't come to the IPMC if approved.

I will work with the board to determine the best form.


On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 7:57 PM, Chris Mattmann <mattmann@apache.org> wrote=
:

> Daniel this is great work. Thank you for outlining this. Wow!
>
> Chris
>
>
> On 9/24/16, 3:17 AM, "Daniel Gruno" <humbedooh@apache.org> wrote:
>
>     Hi folks,
>
>     I've been going over the requirements for NetBeans infrastructure, it=
's
>     ballpark costs, bandwidth, machines needed and so forth, and the clif=
f
>     notes are as follows:
>
>     - 40-50TB/month in traffic required (mostly downloads+plugins)
>     - 8-13 machines/VMS are required
>     - Ballpark hardware costs are between $3k and $10k per year, dependin=
g
>       on how much we can move to existing infrastructure and how close we
>       come to the original setup. The most likely figure we are working
> with
>       is $4.9k, but we should be prepared for a larger cost, just in case=
.
>     - The maintenance will be split between infra (downloads, web site, C=
I,
>       new build machines) and the project (services, plugins, statistics)=
,
>       which will undoubtedly incur additional costs in terms of infra tim=
e
>       spent on this, possibly to the tune of $10-20k in the initial phase=
.
>
>     Certain services like the plugins hosting will rely on Legal giving t=
he
>     go-ahead for it, otherwise we'll have to find other people willing to
>     host this.
>
>     Other items like downloads may be offset by CDN providers offering
> their
>     assistance, but we should be prepared for this not being the case fro=
m
>     the beginning, thus the 40-50TB/month. Likewise, some machine costs
>     may be offset by cloud providers offering services for free.
>
>     Thus, I would submit to the IPMC that they consider asking the board
> for
>     a budget of roughly $10k per year for the NetBeans project, as well a=
s
>     the additional time required of Infrastructure to implement this into
>     the existing ASF infra. As we may be able to pool resources and utili=
ze
>     the new hardware for multiple projects, the cost may go down in the
>     coming years, but this is the baseline I suggest we consider when
>     approving NetBeans as a new podling.
>
>     With regards,
>     Daniel.
>
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