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From Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal
Date Mon, 26 Sep 2016 04:52:25 GMT
IMO, the only things to consider for the initial committers list are:

If you leave someone off the list:
- it takes bit longer to get their next commit into the repo.
- that person may be have hurt feelings as to why some other person is on
the list.
(so don't leave off the person who can quickly fix important security bugs)

If you put someone on the list:
- They may never contribute what they said they might contribute
- More administrative work for the ASF secretary.
- You clean up the deadwood at graduation.

As Apache Flex entered the incubator, we had a 40 person initial committer
list which was considered quite large at the time.  Only one person
besides me is still active almost five years later.  About 12 never showed
up because with the move to Apache their paid job role changed and they
ran out of time to commit anything.  If I had to do it again, I would
probably still have the same 40 people.  So what if there was deadwood.
We cleaned some up at graduation, and then over 4 years after graduation,
folks faded away and new folks came in.

But if you are thinking 100 people, I'd try to get it down to 40-ish.

My 2 cents,
-Alex


On 9/24/16, 11:59 PM, "John McDonnell" <mcdonnell.john@gmail.com> wrote:

>Hi All,
>
>
>I am a netbeans user that has been following this thread since the
>proposal was announced and I am a little fascinated with this whole
>process, it seems rather interesting...
>
>Although this initial committer list seems to be a sticking point, but
>from reading this page:
>https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#committers I'm not
>sure why it is...
>
>I have contributed defect fixes for JClouds in the past, and from what
>I see on this project is that there's an GitHub repo that allows
>people to contribute PR's, but theres also a ASF repo, which the
>contributors actually merge in the PRs from GitHub into the "hidden"
>ASF repo...   Is this how every ASF project runs? and is this how
>Apache Netbeans would run?  Because if so, do you want to give a wide
>list of committers initially?
>
>I would have thought it would make sense to keep the number to a group
>of trusted people that Netbeans/GJ trust up front to commit PRs into
>the main repo, and to make short term decisions.  Then if a
>developer/contributor shows themselves to be a useful part of the
>community then you can quickly vote to change their status...
>
>Anyways I'm going to go back to lurking in the background...
>
>Regards
>
>John
>
>
>On 25 September 2016 at 07:40, Jochen Theodorou <blackdrag@gmx.org> wrote:
>> On 24.09.2016 15:10, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 2:59 PM, Jochen Theodorou
>>>
>>> For me the problem is that without plugins you have only the bare
>>> plattform
>>>>
>>>> and no IDE.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No, that's not true at all. The NetBeans plugins are of various kinds.
>>> There are plugins that are listed in the Plugin Manager by default,
>>>these
>>> are the standard functionalities of NetBeans IDE, i.e., these are all
>>>from
>>> the NetBeans source code and will be part of the Apache donation.
>>
>>
>>
>> ok, wrong knowledge on my side. From hat I have seen in the repository
>>it
>> should be fine then. I have also seen some possibly license critical
>>stuff
>> there, but that is for during incubation to sort out
>>
>>
>> bye Jochen
>>
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>John
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