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From "John D. Ament" <johndam...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal
Date Sun, 25 Sep 2016 15:25:31 GMT
Geertjan,

This is a sound plan.

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 11:22 PM Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:

> It really is impossible for us to follow all the (in many cases
> contradictory) advice we have been given re the initial contributors list.
>
> Here's what I propose:
>
> 1. We make the initial contributors list as detailed as we can, i.e., I
> have already started doing this, grouping individual contributors in
> specific categories and also indicating which ones have contributed in the
> past, in most cases the recent past, i.e., these are the ones with most
> direct skills who are likely to begin contributing as soon as possible.
> Yes, most of these are from Oracle, which makes sense since we're moving to
> Apache precisely in order to open up the governance model so that more can
> participate.
> 2. When in doubt, we will follow the advice of our mentors over the advice
> of those who are not our mentors.
> 3. We will show in the initial contributors list what each of the initial
> contributors is planning to contribute, as concretely as possible, to show
> that we have a list of contributors who really want to and are planning to
> contribute as soon as they're able to do so.
> 4. I don't believe anyone will fork NetBeans for not being on the initial
> contributors list nor do I believe that anyone will want to be on the
> initial contributors list as some kind of desire for status -- everyone on
> the list is known in one way or another in the community or has worked on
> NetBeans for years from within Oracle. These are all people who are
> committed to NetBeans and to its future in Apache.
> 5. At the end of incubation, we will go through the list very thoroughly.
> Anyone who has not contributed will be contacted to confirm that they'd
> like to be removed from the list before we become a TPL. I see no problems
> in that regard, I'm sure people who don't end up committing will have no
> problem being removed from the list at that stage and being voted in again
> if/when they change their mind later.
>

This is typically how our meritocracy works.  In addition, when you draft
your TLP resolution, you'll have a chance to list out the committers and
PMC members.  This will be reviewed by the community so everyone will have
a chance to speak up.


>
> Hope the above works for everyone and thanks everyone for all the energy
> everyone is putting into this process.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Geertjan
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 3:47 AM, Shane Curcuru <asfl@shanecurcuru.org>
> wrote:
>
> > toki wrote on 9/24/16 8:04 PM:
> > > On 22/09/2016 05:18, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> > >> had a non-trivial amount of commits to then Sun NetBeans between
> > 2002-2008. He then drifted away from the
> > >> project but would be interested, potentially, re-engaging.
> > >
> > > Is it possible to create a "master list' of everybody who has
> > > contributed, when they contributed, and roughly how much they
> > contributed?
> > >
> > > If so, then:
> > > * send everybody on that list an ICLA to fill out and return;
> > > * Include that list as an appendix to the Incubation Paperwork. Call it
> > > _Individuals who, on request will be considered to be part of the
> > > Initial Committer List_, once the appropriate paperwork has been signed
> > > and submitted;
> > > * The _Initial Committer List_ consists of people who have signed and
> > > submitted the appropriate paperwork, and requested to be on the list;
> >
> > My advice is to leave the initial committer list as-is, and then wait to
> > see who actually shows up to do work on the project during the
> > incubation process.
> >
> > Part of what the IPMC looks for during incubation is can the podling
> > community self-govern, a large part of which is voting in new committers
> > in an appropriate fashion.
> >
> > Separately, when a podling is ready to graduate, and the IPMC votes to
> > recommend graduation to the board, the actual committer and PMC lists
> > for the top level project sometimes change versus the whole committer
> > list during incubation.  People who never show up to actually work on
> > the podling probably should not be left on the committer list for the
> > future top level project.
> >
> > - Shane
> >
> >
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