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From "John D. Ament" <johndam...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Radical proposal: no initial list of committers
Date Tue, 27 Sep 2016 12:05:12 GMT
Its not a bad idea at all, except you're now relying on already stretched
too thin mentors to help bootstrap the podling.

And since we've agreed that champion can roll off once the podling has been
accepted (since they don't have to be a mentor) you're limiting that a bit
further.

John

On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 8:01 AM Emilian Bold <emilian.bold@gmail.com> wrote:

> Considering the effort that went into this and the fact that we had just
> reached a point where we could move on past this list, I hope you start
> using this new rule for the next project submitted.
>
> Pe marți, 27 septembrie 2016, Greg Stein <gstein@gmail.com> a scris:
>
> > The NetBeans proposal (among many others in the past) has demonstrated a
> > significant "problem" with trying to establish an appropriate list of
> > initial committers. There are many people that want to be on, for various
> > reasons. Because they are committers, recent or historic. Or they want
> the
> > "prestige" to be there. Some people believe they "deserve" to be on the
> > list. etc etc
> >
> > Establishing the list is particularly difficult for large and old
> > communities.
> >
> > But. What if we just said "no such list" ?
> >
> > This will shift the initial voting of committers upon the
> Champion/Mentors
> > who will construct the entirety of the PPMC. But hey: aren't they
> supposed
> > to be involved? Aren't they supposed to demonstrate how to earn merit,
> and
> > the committership that results?
> >
> > This would also solve the problem of initial committers that have not
> > established any merit whatsoever. We've had many situations where people
> > simply add themselves to the list. Why? Cuz they chose to do so. It is
> sort
> > of silently allowed for IPMC members to add themselves. "I wanna join!"
> > BAM. It happens.
> >
> > So yeah. Radical thought: NO initial list. The PPMC is just the Champion
> +
> > Mentors. They will build the committers and PPMC according to merit.
> (note:
> > this could be *very* fast for a particular few highly-engaged with
> bringing
> > the project to the ASF)
> >
> > ???
> >
> > Cheers,
> > -g
> >
>
>
> --
>
> --emi
>

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