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From Gregory Chase <gch...@pivotal.io>
Subject Re: Radical proposal: no initial list of committers
Date Tue, 27 Sep 2016 14:44:44 GMT
Having been through this with Apache Geode, I like the idea of paying
homage to emeritus committers in the proposal and history of the
technology.  If you start with a rule of providing committer privileges to
those who have directly committed to the project in the last two or three
years, and a liberal policy of granting new committer privileges as needed,
I think you should be ok.  Does an emeritus committer need commit
privileges today? Only if they start committing again.

And for those that want prestige - the prestige rests in being an active
evangelist of the project. One does not ever need to be a committer to
achieve prestige.

On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 7:03 AM, Emmanuel Lécharny <elecharny@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Le 27/09/16 à 13:25, Greg Stein a écrit :
> > The NetBeans proposal (among many others in the past) has demonstrated a
> > significant "problem" with trying to establish an appropriate list of
> > initial committers. There are many people that want to be on, for various
> > reasons. Because they are committers, recent or historic. Or they want
> the
> > "prestige" to be there. Some people believe they "deserve" to be on the
> > list. etc etc
> >
> > Establishing the list is particularly difficult for large and old
> > communities.
> >
> > But. What if we just said "no such list" ?
> >
> > This will shift the initial voting of committers upon the
> Champion/Mentors
> > who will construct the entirety of the PPMC. But hey: aren't they
> supposed
> > to be involved? Aren't they supposed to demonstrate how to earn merit,
> and
> > the committership that results?
> >
> > This would also solve the problem of initial committers that have not
> > established any merit whatsoever. We've had many situations where people
> > simply add themselves to the list. Why? Cuz they chose to do so. It is
> sort
> > of silently allowed for IPMC members to add themselves. "I wanna join!"
> > BAM. It happens.
> >
> > So yeah. Radical thought: NO initial list. The PPMC is just the Champion
> +
> > Mentors. They will build the committers and PPMC according to merit.
> (note:
> > this could be *very* fast for a particular few highly-engaged with
> bringing
> > the project to the ASF)
> >
> > ???
> >
> > Cheers,
> > -g
> >
> Well, that's tempting...
>
>
> OTOH there is no problem with having an initial list, even with people
> who want to see their name on the web site for teh sake of their own ego
> : it's easy to demote committer in the long run (moving them to an
> emeritus status).
>
>
> We have so many dormant committers in so many projects anyway !
>
>
> My take is the initial list is just a curtesy made to the involved
> people, and a few more. Nothing less, nothing more. The PPMC list, OTOH,
> is critical.
>
>
> My 2 cts.
>
>
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