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From Rich Bowen <rbo...@rcbowen.com>
Subject Re: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings (was: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal)
Date Sun, 25 Sep 2016 21:58:50 GMT
On Sep 24, 2016 23:08, "Geertjan Wielenga" <geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com>
wrote:
>
> Yes, excellent work and many thanks for the time taken on this, Daniel.
For
> anyone reading this -- do note that these are preliminary findings based
on
> the current infrastructure of NetBeans, which is going to be very
different
> under Apache, e.g., plugins.netbeans.org looks like it will be hosted
> somewhere else by one of the companies involved in Apache NetBeans.

A couple of reminders:

Individuals, not companies, are involved in Apache projects.

Having a third party run a service under an Apache brand requires working
with VP Brand.

>
> On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 1:04 AM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> > Should this request come from IPMC? Seems like it should be at least a
coop
> > request between infra (who get the budget and the operational onus) and
> > incubator (who cause the problem).
> >
> > Certainly the budget shouldn't come to the IPMC if approved.
> >
> > I will work with the board to determine the best form.
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 7:57 PM, Chris Mattmann <mattmann@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Daniel this is great work. Thank you for outlining this. Wow!
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9/24/16, 3:17 AM, "Daniel Gruno" <humbedooh@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >     Hi folks,
> > >
> > >     I've been going over the requirements for NetBeans infrastructure,
> > it's
> > >     ballpark costs, bandwidth, machines needed and so forth, and the
> > cliff
> > >     notes are as follows:
> > >
> > >     - 40-50TB/month in traffic required (mostly downloads+plugins)
> > >     - 8-13 machines/VMS are required
> > >     - Ballpark hardware costs are between $3k and $10k per year,
> > depending
> > >       on how much we can move to existing infrastructure and how
close we
> > >       come to the original setup. The most likely figure we are
working
> > > with
> > >       is $4.9k, but we should be prepared for a larger cost, just in
> > case.
> > >     - The maintenance will be split between infra (downloads, web
site,
> > CI,
> > >       new build machines) and the project (services, plugins,
> > statistics),
> > >       which will undoubtedly incur additional costs in terms of infra
> > time
> > >       spent on this, possibly to the tune of $10-20k in the initial
> > phase.
> > >
> > >     Certain services like the plugins hosting will rely on Legal
giving
> > the
> > >     go-ahead for it, otherwise we'll have to find other people
willing to
> > >     host this.
> > >
> > >     Other items like downloads may be offset by CDN providers offering
> > > their
> > >     assistance, but we should be prepared for this not being the case
> > from
> > >     the beginning, thus the 40-50TB/month. Likewise, some machine
costs
> > >     may be offset by cloud providers offering services for free.
> > >
> > >     Thus, I would submit to the IPMC that they consider asking the
board
> > > for
> > >     a budget of roughly $10k per year for the NetBeans project, as
well
> > as
> > >     the additional time required of Infrastructure to implement this
into
> > >     the existing ASF infra. As we may be able to pool resources and
> > utilize
> > >     the new hardware for multiple projects, the cost may go down in
the
> > >     coming years, but this is the baseline I suggest we consider when
> > >     approving NetBeans as a new podling.
> > >
> > >     With regards,
> > >     Daniel.
> > >
> > >
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