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From Geertjan Wielenga <geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal
Date Mon, 26 Sep 2016 05:37:03 GMT
On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 2:30 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:


> > From my point of view, voting on the proposal should not happen until
> this
> > has been done, working on it now, approaching people to ask them to be
> > added to the list, and will be writing mails to NetBeans mailing lists.
>
> Thanks you! Sounds like we're on exactly the same page!



Not anymore -- our mentors have explicitly (and repeatedly) rejected this
approach. The vote on this proposal is explicitly not tied to contact being
made to everyone for inclusion on the initial contributors list. Though we
are -- and have been from even before the proposal was published --
contacting potential new individual contributors and adding them to the
initial contributors list, the purpose of the list is to show diversity of
individual contributors, nothing more and nothing less, and the purpose is
not to try to be as complete as possible. As stated earlier in this thread,
we're simply going to follow our mentors when there is a different in
emphasis and that's what we're going to be doing in this case.

Thanks,

Gj



On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 2:30 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <roman@shaposhnik.org>
wrote:

> On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 6:18 AM, Geertjan Wielenga
> <geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Shane Curcuru wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Correct.  The whole point of Incubation at Apache is to show that the
> >> community can learn to self-govern by following Apache processes - and a
> >> key point of self-governance is responsibly adding new committers.
> >>
> >> In my experience, it's far better to just start incubation at this point
> >> rather than worrying about getting the *initial* list perfect.
> >
> >
> > The perspective on this point are clearly extremely divided when I read
> > through this thread. Some from Apache consider the initial committers
> list
> > extremely important and that that list should be extremely complete. (And
> > there's even a suggestion that people might fork NetBeans if they're not
> on
> > the initial committers list which, to me, sounds really odd.)
>
> Just to make sure that my argument is clearly stated let me make two points
> very, very explicitly:
>    1. I would expect the folks bringing NetBeans to ASF Incubator to have
> had
>     spent reasonable amount of time trying to contact anybody who may feel
> like
>     their level of contributions to NetBeans (past or present) could
> qualify them
>     to be on that list. Contacting doesn't mean they should be
> automatically added
>     to that list, but rather:
>           1.1. made aware what is going to happen to NetBeans soon
>           1.2. given a chance to request being added to the list (like
> we already saw
>                  somebody did on this very thread)
>
>     2. Precisely because #1 is super time consuming and can't be fool
> proof, we need
>     to make sure that the expectation going in is that anybody who was
> missed as part
>     of outreach described above will be given special considerations
> once the project
>     enters incubation.
>
> That's it. In fact, I'd rather see #1 and #2 be made part of the
> proposal (you don't
> have to write a thesis -- just a few paragraph) before I will feel
> comfortable about
> casting my vote.
>
> > However, I will work more on the initial contributors list, regardless of
> > the confusion about it. I do think it will be good to have (1) as
> complete
> > a list as possible and (2) clear motivation about why people are on that
> > list, i.e., what they have done to get on that list in the first place.
> >
> > My aim is, in order to bring this part of the discussion to an end, to
> take
> > the strictest approach from all the different approaches apparent in this
> > discussion and make the list as complete and comprehensive as possible
> and
> > provide motivation for each person in the list. Can't do any harm and at
> > least some of the people in this discussion are explicitly asking for
> this.
> > From my point of view, voting on the proposal should not happen until
> this
> > has been done, working on it now, approaching people to ask them to be
> > added to the list, and will be writing mails to NetBeans mailing lists.
>
> Thanks you! Sounds like we're on exactly the same page!
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>
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