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From Geertjan Wielenga <geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>
Subject Re: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings (was: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal)
Date Sun, 25 Sep 2016 03:08:45 GMT
Yes, excellent work and many thanks for the time taken on this, Daniel. For
anyone reading this -- do note that these are preliminary findings based on
the current infrastructure of NetBeans, which is going to be very different
under Apache, e.g., plugins.netbeans.org looks like it will be hosted
somewhere else by one of the companies involved in Apache NetBeans. The
question will be how much of the current NetBeans infrastructure will be
needed under Apache, which is something we can work on concretely during
incubation. Whatever costs have been identified in this phase can only in
the end be lower than the estimate, since we will have less in Apache than
we currently have in NetBeans. E.g., no forums in Apache, for example.

Gj

On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 1:04 AM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@gmail.com> wrote:

> Should this request come from IPMC? Seems like it should be at least a coop
> request between infra (who get the budget and the operational onus) and
> incubator (who cause the problem).
>
> Certainly the budget shouldn't come to the IPMC if approved.
>
> I will work with the board to determine the best form.
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 7:57 PM, Chris Mattmann <mattmann@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Daniel this is great work. Thank you for outlining this. Wow!
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> > On 9/24/16, 3:17 AM, "Daniel Gruno" <humbedooh@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >     Hi folks,
> >
> >     I've been going over the requirements for NetBeans infrastructure,
> it's
> >     ballpark costs, bandwidth, machines needed and so forth, and the
> cliff
> >     notes are as follows:
> >
> >     - 40-50TB/month in traffic required (mostly downloads+plugins)
> >     - 8-13 machines/VMS are required
> >     - Ballpark hardware costs are between $3k and $10k per year,
> depending
> >       on how much we can move to existing infrastructure and how close we
> >       come to the original setup. The most likely figure we are working
> > with
> >       is $4.9k, but we should be prepared for a larger cost, just in
> case.
> >     - The maintenance will be split between infra (downloads, web site,
> CI,
> >       new build machines) and the project (services, plugins,
> statistics),
> >       which will undoubtedly incur additional costs in terms of infra
> time
> >       spent on this, possibly to the tune of $10-20k in the initial
> phase.
> >
> >     Certain services like the plugins hosting will rely on Legal giving
> the
> >     go-ahead for it, otherwise we'll have to find other people willing to
> >     host this.
> >
> >     Other items like downloads may be offset by CDN providers offering
> > their
> >     assistance, but we should be prepared for this not being the case
> from
> >     the beginning, thus the 40-50TB/month. Likewise, some machine costs
> >     may be offset by cloud providers offering services for free.
> >
> >     Thus, I would submit to the IPMC that they consider asking the board
> > for
> >     a budget of roughly $10k per year for the NetBeans project, as well
> as
> >     the additional time required of Infrastructure to implement this into
> >     the existing ASF infra. As we may be able to pool resources and
> utilize
> >     the new hardware for multiple projects, the cost may go down in the
> >     coming years, but this is the baseline I suggest we consider when
> >     approving NetBeans as a new podling.
> >
> >     With regards,
> >     Daniel.
> >
> >
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