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From Geertjan Wielenga <geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal
Date Thu, 15 Sep 2016 20:44:38 GMT
Thanks a lot for the input, Leonardo! Great to have you part of the future
Apache NetBeans community. :-)

Gj

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 8:51 PM, Leonardo Loch Zanivan <pangalz@gmail.com>
wrote:

> As a NetBeans community contributor and plugin maker, I'll try to clarify
> some points about how plugins work on NetBeans and how they're important.
>
> 1. Plugins can either upload a binary (NBM) or just an advertisement (with
> link to another site)
>
> 2. Plugins that upload a binary (NBM) can be downloaded by anyone using a
> Download button on the website.
>
> 3. Plugins can be Verified by the NetBeans team members, so they appear on
> Update Center from NetBeans IDE.
> 3.1. In order to a plugin get verified, it needs to be signed and have a
> license.
> 3.2. After each major NetBeans release, the plugin needs to be verified
> again.
>
> As you can see, there are more than one method for distributing a plugin,
> the easiest one is to upload a binary to plugin portal and directly
> distribute to anyone, without need signing or add license file, it's just a
> binary repository.
> The owner remains the plugin maker and a default license is assigned (I
> think).
>
> AFAIK, there are more than 1000+ NetBeans plugins available, some of them
> are very old, but they may work in recent versions of NetBeans (without
> verification).
>
> The thing is, the process of making a plugin or anything else available on
> maven central could be tough and complex for many developers and asking for
> everyone changing the plugin license is much worse.
>
> I see the current approach of NetBeans plugins portal with good eyes, but
> it could be improved of course, allowing Maven Artifacts for example (need
> to check how verification will work in this case).
>
> Anyway, it appears that plugins.netbeans.org is just a CMS and part of
> netbeans.org portal, so I don't see how to move to ASF infrastructure
> without bring the plugins part.
>
> Although, I think the discussion is about the binaries and not the plugins
> portal itself, binaries could be hosted anywhere with help of a third party
> company.
>
> BTW I'm a outsider (non Oracle), so I don't know nothing about
> infrastructure perspective.
>
> Regards,
> Leonardo Zanivan
>
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 5:02 AM Bertrand Delacretaz <
> bdelacretaz@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 4:22 PM, David Nalley <david@gnsa.us> wrote:
> >> >>> ...SIR03 Migration of plugin publication system,
> plugins.netbeans.org,
> >> to Apache infrastructure
> >> >
> >> > This looks to be an interesting. Are the plugins gated by license? Any
> >> > vetting going on? Is there a history of DMCA requests being served by
> >> > things uploaded to plugins.nb.o? How much bandwidth does this site
> >> > consume? Are their folks who can maintain this site from bare metal up
> >> > in the project?...
> >>
> >> The plugins.netbeans.org site says "plugins provided by community
> >> members and third-party companies" so I doubt Oracle has the rights to
> >> donate all that code to us. Sorry that we missed that during the
> >> proposal preparation phase.
> >>
> >> If that's correct I would suggest keeping the plugins.netbeans.org
> >> migration out of the incubation proposal, and letting Apache NetBeans
> >> handle that later. That might just be suggesting to move that code to
> >> GitHub and creating an alternate plugin installation mechanism that
> >> grabs whatever it needs there.
> >>
> >> It looks like those plugins are clearly "code associated with an
> >> Apache project" once NetBeans migrates to the ASF, but code that
> >> probably shouldn't belong to the ASF.
> >>
> >> Owners of specific plugins will still be able to donate them as well,
> >> separately, once Apache NetBeans is established, via our IP clearance
> >> mechanism, http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/
> >>
> >> -Bertrand
> >>
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