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From Geertjan Wielenga <geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal
Date Wed, 14 Sep 2016 19:49:32 GMT
I can't wait for that to happen! In the meantime, can we call NetBeans by
its real name: NetBeans, with an uppercase N and an uppercase B? Shall we
all start maintaining that, i.e., using the correct name, which is NetBeans
or, better yet, Apache NetBeans?

Yes, Oracle is handing over everything in terms of trademarks to Apache,
let's put aside that discussion since it's true, if you can point in the
proposal where this is not clear or can be clearer, tell me and we will
change/add/whatever. FYI -- no one creating independent products based on
Apache NetBeans cares what its name is.

Only two things are in discussion right now: (1) licensing [which has been
discussed quite a bit with Apache folks like Bertrand and Ate prior to the
proposal being published and we are comfortable we'll be able to solve
everything] and (2) infrastructure migration [which has been outlined
already, though we are working on a lot more details at the moment so that
everything will be crystal clear].

Thanks,

Geertjan

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 8:40 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <roman@shaposhnik.org>
wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Wade Chandler
> <consult@wadechandler.com> wrote:
> > Do you mean from the stand point of it being a Java based application,
> or that some how
> > NetBeans and the Java TCK are related? I don’t think either is an impact
> on NetBeans IMHO;
> > not any more than it is for the Eclipse IDE or IntelliJ. Do you mean
> because it is being contributed
> > by Oracle perhaps? If so, does the donor have as much impact on
> contributions as that once
> > adopted by Apache? I may be misunderstanding what you are asking. I am
> not an employee
> > of Oracle; just an NB contributor.
>
> I think the question is more along the lines of what else would be
> required to produce a "canonical"
> release of Apache Netbeans. If everything that is required is being
> donated -- I think we're good.
> IOW, the project must be self-contained and not depend on anything
> still left behind the firewall
> to do on-going development and most important releases. E.g. if I send
> you a patch -- you can't
> reject it on the grounds that some test behind Oracle's frewall I've
> never seen failed. Stuff like
> that.
>
> On a related note, I haven't seen it explicitly  mentioned in the
> proposal, but I hope you guys do
> realize that once this project is accepted the Netbeans brand belongs
> to Apache. IOW, if Oracle
> or anybody else ever want to have an independent product based on
> Apache Netbeans they will
> have to call it something else.
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>
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