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From Geertjan Wielenga <geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal
Date Sat, 24 Sep 2016 13:10:52 GMT
On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 2:59 PM, Jochen Theodorou

For me the problem is that without plugins you have only the bare plattform
> and no IDE.


No, that's not true at all. The NetBeans plugins are of various kinds.
There are plugins that are listed in the Plugin Manager by default, these
are the standard functionalities of NetBeans IDE, i.e., these are all from
the NetBeans source code and will be part of the Apache donation.


> I really only want to hear, that these plugins will be migrated as part of
> netbeans incubation as well, or what the plans for these are.


When we in the NetBeans community talk about "plugins", we only mean those
made available via plugins.netbeans.org. We have various companies
interested in hosting these, e.g., Microchip (microchip.com) and Dukehoff (
dukehoff.com), though there could be more. The problem is going to be which
of the available companies to select for hosting the plugins as well as the
application at plugins.netbeans.org for accessing those plugins.

Gj

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 2:59 PM, Jochen Theodorou <blackdrag@gmx.org> wrote:

> On 24.09.2016 05:34, Wade Chandler wrote:
> [...]
>
>> I ask these obvious rhetorical questions to get to this point: Would it be
>> feasible for NetBeans to succeed among competing projects with such a
>> stipulation that all hosted or distributed plugins be contributed to
>> Apache
>> or licensed the same? Without an ecosystem and infrastructure that doesn't
>> force everyone into the same model, which is why the Apache license has
>> been so successful on a different level IMO, and Maven and Gradle on a
>> similar level, then I don't see such a project succeeding considering its
>> user base and use cases.
>>
>
> For me the problem is that without plugins you have only the bare
> plattform and no IDE.If you want to still be able to distribute an IDE with
> the same plugins as today, you will need to relicense some of the (L)GPled
> plugins to apache or rewrite them. The "All" version according to
> https://netbeans.org/downloads/ comes with Java, HTML5/Javascript, PHP,
> C/C++ and Groovy. And already for those plugins we have a good mix of GPL,
> LGPL and CDDL. I will become a problem if there will be an netbeans IDE
> download that mixes these through.
>
> I really only want to hear, that these plugins will be migrated as part of
> netbeans incubation as well, or what the plans for these are.
>
> I am sure there will be a solution for the hosting of the plugins.
>
> bye Jochen
>
>
>
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