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From Geertjan Wielenga <geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal
Date Wed, 14 Sep 2016 20:14:52 GMT
Brilliant!

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 10:11 PM, Ate Douma <ate@douma.nu> wrote:

> On 2016-09-14 21:49, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>
>> I can't wait for that to happen! In the meantime, can we call NetBeans by
>> its real name: NetBeans, with an uppercase N and an uppercase B? Shall we
>> all start maintaining that, i.e., using the correct name, which is
>> NetBeans
>> or, better yet, Apache NetBeans?
>>
>
> Sorry, guilty as charged. And as a proposed mentor: double penalty :-)
> I'll try to do better in the future!
>
>
>> Yes, Oracle is handing over everything in terms of trademarks to Apache,
>> let's put aside that discussion since it's true, if you can point in the
>> proposal where this is not clear or can be clearer, tell me and we will
>> change/add/whatever. FYI -- no one creating independent products based on
>> Apache NetBeans cares what its name is.
>>
>> Only two things are in discussion right now: (1) licensing [which has been
>> discussed quite a bit with Apache folks like Bertrand and Ate prior to the
>> proposal being published and we are comfortable we'll be able to solve
>> everything] and (2) infrastructure migration [which has been outlined
>> already, though we are working on a lot more details at the moment so that
>> everything will be crystal clear].
>>
>
> Cool!
>
> I think the proposal looks great and so far I see no issues to be
> considered
> blocking for entering the Incubator.
>
> Regards, Ate
>
>
>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Geertjan
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 8:40 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <roman@shaposhnik.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Wade Chandler
>>> <consult@wadechandler.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Do you mean from the stand point of it being a Java based application,
>>>>
>>> or that some how
>>>
>>>> NetBeans and the Java TCK are related? I don’t think either is an impact
>>>>
>>> on NetBeans IMHO;
>>>
>>>> not any more than it is for the Eclipse IDE or IntelliJ. Do you mean
>>>>
>>> because it is being contributed
>>>
>>>> by Oracle perhaps? If so, does the donor have as much impact on
>>>>
>>> contributions as that once
>>>
>>>> adopted by Apache? I may be misunderstanding what you are asking. I am
>>>>
>>> not an employee
>>>
>>>> of Oracle; just an NB contributor.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think the question is more along the lines of what else would be
>>> required to produce a "canonical"
>>> release of Apache Netbeans. If everything that is required is being
>>> donated -- I think we're good.
>>> IOW, the project must be self-contained and not depend on anything
>>> still left behind the firewall
>>> to do on-going development and most important releases. E.g. if I send
>>> you a patch -- you can't
>>> reject it on the grounds that some test behind Oracle's frewall I've
>>> never seen failed. Stuff like
>>> that.
>>>
>>> On a related note, I haven't seen it explicitly  mentioned in the
>>> proposal, but I hope you guys do
>>> realize that once this project is accepted the Netbeans brand belongs
>>> to Apache. IOW, if Oracle
>>> or anybody else ever want to have an independent product based on
>>> Apache Netbeans they will
>>> have to call it something else.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Roman.
>>>
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