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From Geertjan Wielenga <geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal
Date Mon, 19 Sep 2016 12:47:05 GMT
On 19.09.2016 1:10, Raphael Bircher wrote:

> One Mail also complained about the Initial Committer list. Are all
> active committers who did commit in the last 6 month (or so) on the
> initial committer list. forgotten people can create bad blood and
> disappointment. The committers are the most value part of a project.


Hello Rapael,

This really is not a problem. :-) If we were to have included everyone who
has committed to NetBeans over the past 6 months, plus all the others who
should really be on the initial committers list, we would have had hundreds
of initial committers. :-) We decided to keep the initial committers list
short and focused on showing that there's an Oracle commitment as well as
commitment from individual contributors from a number of different
companies [and in several cases multiple individual contributors from the
same company].

There are a number of complications in this proposal, indeed, though this
is not one of them.

Hope that clarifies.

Geertjan

On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 1:10 PM, Raphael Bircher <rbircherapache@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Geertjan
>
> I'm registred at NetBeams now, to get a closer look at the project. I
> was a bit shocked about the similarities with the formar
> OpenOffice.org project. The structure of the Project, the workflow
> etc. are so close to the OpenOffice.org project, much closer as I
> expected. My biggest fear for the incubation is not the technical
> aspect. For infrastructure we will find solutions, and for many
> problems exist already blueprints from the OpenOffice Project. My
> biggest fear ist the community. As I saw on the NetBeans ML, the
> decision to join the ASF was made by Oracle. Well a load of the
> community members welcome this step, but there are also fears. This
> fears has to be addressed, this is very very important.
>
> One Mail also complained about the Initial Committer list. Are all
> active committers who did commit in the last 6 month (or so) on the
> initial committer list. forgotten people can create bad blood and
> disappointment. The committers are the most value part of a project.
>
> This are at the moment my biggest concerns.
>
> Regards Raphael
>
> On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 10:23 AM, Geertjan Wielenga
> <geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > Nightly builds is all that's needed, indeed, no one needs to announce
> them,
> > they should simply be available. Agreed it's important to distinguish
> > between nightly builds and official releases, that's exactly how NetBeans
> > works currently. The #1 requirement here is that there should be nightly
> > builds and that is supported, from your response here.
> >
> > Geertjan
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 10:28 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz <
> > bdelacretaz@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 7:00 AM, Geertjan Wielenga
> >> <geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >> > ...the #1 requirement is for Apache NetBeans to be able
> >> > to produce daily/release builds and to upload them to netbeans.org or
> >> > another download area under Apache....
> >>
> >> Daily releases are problematic in Apache projects as the PMC needs to
> >> approve releases, and in general those votes last at least 72 hours
> >> due to our async collaboration model.
> >>
> >> AFAIK Apache Cordova for example is making very frequent releases, it
> >> might be interesting to find out how they enable that, in due time.
> >>
> >> Nightly builds should not be announced outside of the project's
> >> developers mailing lists, to mark a clear line between those and
> >> official releases.
> >>
> >> All those things can be discussed during incubation of course, just
> >> wanted to mention them due to the above #1 requirement.
> >>
> >> -Bertrand
> >>
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