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From Ross Gardler <Ross.Gard...@microsoft.com>
Subject Re: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings
Date Sat, 24 Sep 2016 15:52:41 GMT
Daniel, this is excellent. Thank you. When we brought AOO in we offset some costs, such as
bandwidth, through our arrangement with SourceForge. Can we do the same here? (I imagine this
has already been discussed, I'm behind of those threads, I'm just looking for a short summary).

Shane, if the project continues at the current scale then the costs below continue indefinitely.
If it grows/shrinks many of the costs grow/shrink with it (e.g. Bandwidth) others will remain
constant (e.g. Build farms)



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From: Shane Curcuru <asf@shanecurcuru.org<mailto:asf@shanecurcuru.org>>
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 5:35 AM
Subject: Re: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings
To: <general@incubator.apache.org<mailto:general@incubator.apache.org>>


Excellent cliff notes, and I'm really glad to see us surfacing the
issues - and costs - of incubating such a large podling.

Question: do you have a rough forecast of how long this expense/extra
infra burden will last? I.e. is this likely something we'll bear for
3-4 years and then we'll have migrated everything to a better home, or
is this a long-term cost due to how big it all is?

- Shane

Daniel Gruno wrote on 9/24/16 6:17 AM:
> Hi folks,
>
> I've been going over the requirements for NetBeans infrastructure, it's
> ballpark costs, bandwidth, machines needed and so forth, and the cliff
> notes are as follows:
>
> - 40-50TB/month in traffic required (mostly downloads+plugins)
> - 8-13 machines/VMS are required
> - Ballpark hardware costs are between $3k and $10k per year, depending
> on how much we can move to existing infrastructure and how close we
> come to the original setup. The most likely figure we are working with
> is $4.9k, but we should be prepared for a larger cost, just in case.
> - The maintenance will be split between infra (downloads, web site, CI,
> new build machines) and the project (services, plugins, statistics),
> which will undoubtedly incur additional costs in terms of infra time
> spent on this, possibly to the tune of $10-20k in the initial phase.
>
> Certain services like the plugins hosting will rely on Legal giving the
> go-ahead for it, otherwise we'll have to find other people willing to
> host this.
>
> Other items like downloads may be offset by CDN providers offering their
> assistance, but we should be prepared for this not being the case from
> the beginning, thus the 40-50TB/month. Likewise, some machine costs
> may be offset by cloud providers offering services for free.
>
> Thus, I would submit to the IPMC that they consider asking the board for
> a budget of roughly $10k per year for the NetBeans project, as well as
> the additional time required of Infrastructure to implement this into
> the existing ASF infra. As we may be able to pool resources and utilize
> the new hardware for multiple projects, the cost may go down in the
> coming years, but this is the baseline I suggest we consider when
> approving NetBeans as a new podling.
>
> With regards,
> Daniel.
>
>
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