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From Daniel Gruno <humbed...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal
Date Tue, 13 Sep 2016 09:19:46 GMT
What is the expected impact on infrastructure here? I see a lot of
mentions of moving existing infrastructure to the ASF, I see very little
about what it really entails and how large it is.

For instance, what is plugins.netbeans.org and what's the setup there like?

With regards,
Daniel.

On 09/13/2016 09:40 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> 
> Attached to this message is a proposed new project - Apache NetBeans, a
> development environment, tooling platform, and application framework.
> 
> The text of the proposal is included below. Additionally, the proposal is
> in draft form on the Wiki, where we will make any required changes:
> 
> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NetBeansProposal
> 
> We look forward to your feedback and input.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Geertjan
> 
> ----
> 
> = NetBeans Proposal =
> 
> == Abstract ==
> 
> NetBeans is an open source development environment, tooling platform,
> and application framework, used by 1.5 million individuals each month.
> 
> == Proposal ==
> 
> Apache NetBeans will continue to focus on the areas it has focused on
> while sponsored by Sun Microsystems and Oracle. It will continue to
> primarily focus on providing tools for the Java ecosystem, while also
> being focused on tools for other ecosystems, languages and
> technologies, such as JavaScript, PHP, and C/C++. It will continue to
> actively support its community by means of mailing lists, tutorials,
> and documentation.
> 
> == Background ==
> 
> NetBeans started in 1995/96 in Prague, in the Czech Republic, as a
> student project. Sun Microsystems acquired and open sourced it in 2000
> and, with the acquisition of Sun Microsystems by Oracle in 2010,
> became part of Oracle. Throughout its history in Sun Microsystems and
> Oracle, NetBeans has been free and open source and has been leveraged
> by its sponsor as a mechanism for driving the Java ecosystem forward.
> 
> == Rationale ==
> 
> Although NetBeans is already open source, moving it to a neutral place
> like Apache, with its strong governance model, is expected to help get
> more contributions from various organizations. For example, large
> companies are using NetBeans as an application framework to build
> internal or commercial applications and are much more likely to
> contribute to it once it moves to neutral Apache ground. At the same
> time, though Oracle will relinquish its control over NetBeans,
> individual contributors from Oracle are expected to continue
> contributing to NetBeans after it has been contributed to Apache,
> together with individual contributors from other organizations, as
> well as self-employed individual contributors.
> 
> == Initial Goals ==
> 
> The initial goals of the NetBeans contribution under the Apache
> umbrella are to establish a new home for an already fully functioning
> project and to open up the governance model so as to simplify and
> streamline contributions from the community.
> 
> == Current Status ==
> 
> Meritocracy: NetBeans has been run by Oracle, with the majority of
> code contributions coming from Oracle. The specific reason for moving
> to Apache is to expand the diversity of contributors and to increase
> the level of meritocracy in NetBeans. Apache NetBeans will be actively
> seeking new contributors and will welcome them warmly and provide a
> friendly and productive environment for purposes of providing a
> development environment, tooling environment, and application
> framework.
> 
> Community: NetBeans has approximately 1.5 million active users around
> the world, in extremely diverse structures and organizations. NetBeans
> is used by teachers and instructors at schools and universities to
> teach Java and other languages. It is used by students as an
> educational tool. It is used by large organizations who base their
> software on the application framework beneath NetBeans. It is used by
> web developers for creating web sites and by developers using a range
> of tools, languages, and technologies to be productive and efficient
> software developers.
> 
> Core Developers: The core developers will come from a range of
> organizations, including Oracle, which will continue its investment in
> NetBeans.
> 
> Alignment: The application framework is the basis of a range of
> mission critical scientific software at large organizations in
> defense, aerospace, logistics, and research, such as at Boeing,
> Airbus, NASA, and NATO.
> 
> == Known Risks ==
> 
> Orphaned Products: The community proposing NetBeans for incubation is
> strong and vibrant. The size and diversity of the community is a
> guarantee against the project being orphaned.
> 
> Inexperience with Open Source: NetBeans has been free and open source
> since the early days of its sponsorship by Sun Microsystems. Though
> some in the NetBeans community may have worked on Apache projects, the
> majority who haven't are well versed in the principles of open source.
> 
> Homogenous Developers: Individual contributors from Oracle and other
> initial committer organizations will contribute code to NetBeans in
> Apache, while at the same time individuals from other organizations
> will actively be sought to be added to the project. The aim of the
> move to Apache is precisely to open up the governance model, hence the
> desire to build up an extremely heterogeneous developer base is
> strong. For example, several organizations are very heavily invested
> in the NetBeans application framework, having based their software
> suites on top of it, hence there will be a significant interest to
> make available individual contributors from these organizations, which
> tend to be large and well established in the software industry. Also,
> including and beyond these organizations, the NetBeans community
> around the world is extremely diverse and heterogenous in relation to
> geography and backgrounds of developers.
> 
> Reliance on Salaried Developers: Most of the contributors are
> anticipated to be paid to work on projects in the Java ecosystem.
> Others will come from organizations where they are paid to work with
> other languages and technologies, such as JavaScript, PHP, and C/C++.
> However, since Java skills are needed to develop most parts of
> NetBeans, it is unlikely that the developers will go very far outside
> the Java ecosystem.
> 
> Relationships with Other Apache Products: Many Apache projects have
> been supported by tooling in NetBeans over the years, such as Apache
> Ant and Apache Maven. A number of Apache projects are used by
> NetBeans, such as Apache Commons and friends.
> 
> An Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand: NetBeans has a strong
> brand of its own. Though the stability of the Apache ecosystem is
> attractive, the reason for this proposal is simply to be part of the
> neutral development sharing ecosystem that Apache makes available.
> 
> == Documentation ==
> 
> See https://netbeans.org/kb/index.html for an extensive portal to all
> the documentation.
> 
> == Initial Source ==
> 
> The initial source is in Mercurial at hg.netbeans.org and will be
> moved, with assistance from Apache infra team, to Apache Git.
> 
> == Source and IP Submission Plan ==
> 
> NetBeans is dual licensed, CDDL + GPL v2 with Classpath Exception.
> Upon entering Apache, the NetBeans license will be migrated to the
> current Apache License.
> 
> == Trademarks ==
> 
> Oracle owns trademark registrations for the NetBeans mark in the U.S.
> and EU, and would donate those, including the name "NetBeans" and the
> "netbeans.org" domain, to the Apache Foundation, along with other
> artifacts, including the U.S. copyright registrations related to
> NetBeans. The trademark and copyright transfers would be detailed in
> separate documents.
> 
> == External Dependencies ==
> 
> NetBeans is a large project with multiple dependencies and some
> changes may be needed during incubation to comply with Apache
> requirements.
> https://netbeans.org/downloads/licence/8.1/nb81-THIRDPARTYLICENSE.txt
> 
> Identifying which dependencies are core and non-core will be needed as
> part of the process in meeting Apache requirements about third-party
> dependencies. (L)GPL (and possibly other) based dependencies and
> usages will need to be reviewed, and solved, as Apache does not allow
> (L)GPL dependencies, although these concerns can be resolved during
> incubation, and are not upfront blockers.
> 
> == Required Resources ==
> 
>  * Mailing Lists: dev, user, committs, and private @netbeans.apache.org
>  * Wiki
>  * Website
>  * Source Control: Git
>  * Issue Tracking
>  * Release Infrastructure - Hudson/Jenkins, etc
> 
> Specific Infrastructure Requests
> 
>  * Migration of large existing Mercurial repository to Apache Git
>  * Migration of internal Oracle release infrastructure to Apache infrastructure
>  * Migration of plugin publication system, plugins.netbeans.org, to
> Apache infrastructure
>  * Migration of website and related content management system to
> Apache infrastructure
>  * Evaluation and identification of other NetBeans infrastructure to
> be migrated to Apache infastructures
> 
> == Initial Committers ==
> 
> Below is the initial list of individual contributors, while more
> individual contributors will be added during incubation.
> 
> ASF members with a specific interest in the project are welcome to
> request being added to this list of initial committers.
> 
> After the project has been accepted and started in the incubator,
> additional committers can join, as usual, based upon their merit in
> the project.
> 
>  * James Gosling (Liquid Robotics)
>  * Kirk Pepperdine (jClarity)
>  * Martijn Verburg (jClarity)
>  * Bruno Souza (SouJava)
>  * Leonardo Loch Zanivan (SouJava)
>  * Michel Graciano (SouJava)
>  * Michael Nascimento Santos (Improving)
>  * Anton Epple (Dukehoff)
>  * Sven Reimers (Airbus Defense and Space)
>  * Martin Klaehn (Airbus Defense and Space)
>  * Floran Vogler (Airbus Defense and Space)
>  * Jörg Michelberger (Airbus Defense and Sapce)
>  * Norman Fomferra (European Space Agency)
>  * Marco Peters (European Space Agency)
>  * Tonio Fincke (European Space Agency)
>  * Emmanuel Hugonnet (Red Hat)
>  * Mark Stephens (IDR Solutions)
>  * Georgia Ingham (IDR Solutions)
>  * Mike Kelly (US DOD)
>  * Emilian Bold (Joseki Bold SRL)
>  * Timon Veenstra (Corizon BV)
>  * Kendrik Veenstra (Corizon BV)
>  * Francesco Perez Duran (Corizon BV)
>  * Christian Stolz (Janitza)
>  * Ernest Lotter (Institute of Mine Seismology)
>  * Steve Millidge (Payara Services)
>  * Andrew Pielage (Payara Services)
>  * Johan Vos (Gluon)
>  * Jose Pereda (Gluon)
>  * Neil C. Smith (PRAXIS Live)
>  * Valentin Buergel (Simtec Buergel AG)
>  * Stephen Cumminger (Sonideft)
>  * Shai Almog (Codename One)
>  * Steve Hannah (Codename One)
>  * Zoran Sevarac (University of Belgrade)
>  * Henry Arousell (Björn Lundén Information AB)
>  * Thomas Boqvist (Björn Lundén Information AB)
>  * Jaroslav Tulach (Oracle)
>  * Don Kretsch (Oracle)
>  * Vladimir Voskresensky (Oracle)
>  * Dmitry Zharkov (Oracle)
>  * Liang Chen (Oracle)
>  * Geertjan Wielenga (Oracle)
>  * Tomas Zezula (Oracle)
>  * Dusan Balek (Oracle)
>  * Svatopluk Dedic (Oracle)
>  * Tomas Hurka (Oracle)
>  * Milutin Kristofic (Oracle)
>  * Jiri Sedlacek (Oracle)
>  * Miloslav Metelka (Oracle)
>  * Petr Hejl (Oracle)
>  * Tomas Stupka (Oracle)
>  * Petr Pisl (Oracle)
>  * Martin Entlicher (Oracle)
>  * Tomas Mysik (Oracle)
>  * Martin Balin (Oracle)
>  * Libor Fischmeister (Oracle)
>  * Petr Gebauer (Oracle)
>  * Ondrej Vrabec (Oracle)
>  * Jaroslav Havlin (Oracle)
>  * Jiri Skrivanek (Oracle)
>  * Jiri Prox (Oracle)
>  * Jiri Kovalsky (Oracle)
> 
> == Sponsors ==
> 
> Champion:
>  * Bertrand Delacratez
> 
> Mentors:
>  * Bertrand Delacratez
>  * Emmanuel Lécharny
>  * Ate Douma
> 
> Sponsoring Entity
>  * The Apache Incubator
> 


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