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From Ate Douma <...@douma.nu>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic
Date Fri, 23 Sep 2016 16:29:04 GMT
Hi Benjamin,

Thanks for chiming in, and not a bit too late :-)
I think it would be great if the ActivityStreams 2.0 group and Apache Streams
can work together and with the help of the W3C group might help 'reset' the
project and move forwards again.

I am really happy to cancel the vote for retirement in light of this
potential new effort.
I will do so shortly (on the dev@streams.incubator.apache.org list).

And I invite you, and others interested from the W3C group to join the dev list
as well to make contact and further discuss possible next steps.
"pointing all W3C arrows this direction" already is a great way to start :-)

Kind regards, Ate

On 2016-09-23 17:45, Benjamin Young wrote:
> I am currently sitting in the W3C’s Social Web Working Group’s face-to-face
> meeting and have just finished discussing features of ActivityStreams 2.0:
>
> https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-core/
>
>
>
> The Social Web WG is nearing the end of it’s charter, and preparing to ship the
> AS2.0 spec—which could be an opportunity for the Apache Streams community to get
> back on its feet.
>
>
>
> Had I known this group was in danger of shut-down, I would have done more this
> week (at the W3C’s big face-to-face meeting: TPAC). I even gave a presentation
> on getting W3C folks involved in ASF projects and vice versa.
>
>
>
> There is great opportunity yet untapped for combining W3C and ASF activities,
> and I’d hate to see this project disappear before such a major moment in the
> chronology of ActivityStreams 2.0.
>
>
>
> To that end, I’d like to know how I might help “jump start” the Apache Streams
> (incubating) project and will certainly be pointing all W3C arrows this direction.
>
>
>
> So: Please don’t close this group before more cross engagement with the Social
> Web WG and the ActivityStreams 2.0 community has happened.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Benjamin
>
>
>
> --
> http://bigbluehat.com/
> http://linkedin.com/in/benjaminyoung
>
>
>
> *From: *apache <mailto:sblackmon@apache.org>
> *Sent: *Friday, September 23, 2016 4:15 PM
> *To: *Ate Douma <mailto:ate@douma.nu>; dev@streams.incubator.apache.org
> <mailto:dev@streams.incubator.apache.org>
> *Cc: *general@incubator.apache.org <mailto:general@incubator.apache.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic
>
>
>
> On September 22, 2016 at 5:05:39 PM, Ate Douma (ate@douma.nu) wrote:
> On 2016-09-21 18:28, apache wrote:
>> I remain committed to building and sharing open-source software for social web
>> data interoperability. Participating in the incubator process has taught me a
>> lot, and I would like the keep the project operating at Apache, but as Ate
>> points out the community around this podling has never been healthy and has all
>> but disappeared in 2016.
>>
>> I would very much welcome anyone interested in this problem to volunteer as a
>> mentor or contributor. With even a few new committed active participants I can
>> envision the project graduating to TLP. Without fresh initiative, it should be
>> retired. Perhaps some of the codebase will be useful elsewhere.
>>
> Hi Steve,
>
> Although the retirement for Apache Streams hasn't been formally decided, as
> there hasn't been any further signal for support or initiative, it does look
> like we'll have to draw that conclusion soon.
>
> You really tried your best in making Apache Streams a success, and with the
> openness and focus fitting for the Apache Software Foundation.
> That it didn't work out as anticipated and hoped for is of course
> disappointing, but sometimes that's just the way things goes.
>
>
> Thanks for saying so.  There has been a lot of good work from the committers
> involved but not all efforts ultimately succeed.
>
> I definitely hope you will stick to it and at the ASF, contributing to and
> joining other projects because you clearly demonstrated to be an fine Apache
> committer. And not just because you are a nice and really smart guy, but also
> as a great advocate of the Apache Way, at ApacheCons and other places!
>
>
> Thanks for saying so.  I’m not going anywhere.  #bigdata is what I do and ASF is
> where it happens.
>
>> I’ll be submitting a (potentially final) release candidate later today.
>
> I'll take a look and review the release candidate over the weekend, which if OK
> and when receiving +3 from the IPMC, indeed might become a final incubating
> release for Apache Stream.
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> I'll follow up later on the VOTE thread for the release candidate on
> dev@streams.incubator.apache.org
>
> Kind regards, Ate
>
>>
>> Steve Blackmon
>> sblackmon@apache.org
>>
>> On September 19, 2016 at 10:25:16 AM, Ate Douma (ate@douma.nu
>> <mailto:ate@douma.nu>) wrote:
>>
>>> On 2016-09-19 17:09, Suneel Marthi wrote:
>>> > I am sorry to be reading this, but I was at Steve Blackmon's talk last week
>>> > in Berlin at Flink forward about using Streams + Flink.
>>> >
>>> > It was a very interesting talk and I chatted with Steve briefly about the
>>> > Streams project.
>>>
>>> Good to hear that!
>>> I wasn't aware Steve was presenting about Streams in Berlin.
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Is there absolutely no chance of reviving this project or giving the
>>> > project some more time before calling the attic ?
>>>
>>> Sure there is a chance, but for that the project needs active community
>>> involvement. Which has been lacking for quite a while now.
>>> Community building and involvement really is the primary problem for the
>>> project with only a single active member, which is not sustainable.
>>> However, if you are willing and able to get actively involved, and rally some
>>> additional community involvement as well, then I'd be happy to postpone/cancel
>>> the retirement VOTE for now.
>>>
>>> I suggest to head over to dev@streams.incubator.apache.org, let us know
>>> what you can and will do for the project, and see how that works out.
>>>
>>> Regards, Ate
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Ate Douma <ate@douma.nu> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> On 2016-09-19 16:33, Ate Douma wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> On 2016-09-19 15:44, John D. Ament wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Ate,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Please also note the instructions from the incubator's retirement
guide.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Right.
>>> >>> Thanks for pointing this out John.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I've never before had to handle a podling retirement and overlooked
this
>>> >>> requires different handling from a TLP retirement.
>>> >>> And with slightly different consequences, e.g. website will be taken
down,
>>> >>> instead of flagged as being retired.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> So, to do this proper, I'll first cancel the vote thread on dev@streams
>>> >>> and open a new [FINAL][DISCUSS] thread for retirement again, this
>>> >>> time also pointing to the podling retirement page.
>>> >>> This way at least everyone on that list will have a proper notice
what
>>> >>> the retirement entails.
>>> >>> (not that I expect a different outcome, but there is no rush either)
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >> Reading the podling retirement guide a bit more thoroughly, I think
I it is
>>> >> sufficient to restart the [VOTE] thread for retirement on dev@streams
>>> >> with the
>>> >> link to the podling retirement guide.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> And after that I'll open the final [VOTE] for retirement here on
general@
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Ate
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> John
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 6:37 AM Ate Douma <ate@douma.nu>
wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> FYI, I've started below vote to retire Apache Streams, after
I first
>>> >>>>> initiated a
>>> >>>>> [discuss] thread more than a week ago, which resulted in
zero feedback.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Ate
>>> >>>>> (Streams mentor)
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>> >>>>> Subject: [VOTE] Retire Apache Streams to the attic
>>> >>>>> Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2016 23:27:11 +0200
>>> >>>>> From: Ate Douma <ate@douma.nu>
>>> >>>>> To: dev@streams.incubator.apache.org <dev@streams.incubator.apache.org>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> As a final follow up on the earlier [discuss] thread, lets
formally
>>> >>>>> vote on
>>> >>>>> retiring Apache Streams and move it to the attic.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> The process is described at http://attic.apache.org/process.html
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> [ ] +1 Move Streams to the Attic
>>> >>>>> [ ] ±0 Proceed according to the majority
>>> >>>>> [ ] -1 Do not move Streams to the Attic, because... [please
add
>>> >>>>> justification]
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Ate
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
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>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>
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>>> >
>>>
>>>
>
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