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Subject: Re: [DRAFT] Incubator PMC Board Report - August 2016
From: Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de.INVALID>
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Given that Geronimo is nowadays more a kind of =E2=80=9EEE commons=E2=80=9C=
, it might fit in there.=20

LieGrue,
strub


> Am 08.08.2016 um 22:32 schrieb Romain Manni-Bucau =
<rmannibucau@gmail.com>:
>=20
> Le 8 ao=C3=BBt 2016 21:04, "Jean-Baptiste Onofr=C3=A9" =
<jb@nanthrax.net> a =C3=A9crit :
>>=20
>> Hi John,
>>=20
>> I've probably missed your ping. That's right that last month I didn't
> sign for two reasons:
>> 1. the report was empty
>> 2. I don't see lot of activity on the BatchEE project:
>> 2.1. There are some commits (
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-batchee/commits/master) but not =
super
> active
>> 2.2. Same for the mailing lists:
>>  http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-batchee-user/
>>  http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-batchee-dev/
>>=20
>> I'm not sure that BatchEE can be a project by its own as I'm not sure =
we
> have a community around (especially an user community).
>=20
> To be honest got very various feesback from tomcat, standalone and =
tomee
> users. Putting batchee behind tomee or geronimo would kill the =
remaining
> 66% of users IMO and the community would be quite weird or not
> heterogeneous at least (so not a real one). That to say i have a very =
mixes
> feeling about umbrella projects.
>=20
>> I agree with Romain that BatchEE could be part of a kind of umbrella
> project.
>> If we have good sign that we have an user community around, then it =
makes
> sense to discuss about graduation.
>>=20
>> Regards
>> JB
>>=20
>>=20
>> On 08/08/2016 05:57 PM, John D. Ament wrote:
>>>=20
>>> Romain,
>>>=20
>>> I've actually been pushing to get BatchEE to graduate for some time.
> IMHO
>>> there's no more benefit in the incubator for you guys.
>>>=20
>>> I'm pointing out the issue, as last month a mentor refused sign off =
due
> to
>>> lack of content in your report.  The current report doesn't seem to =
be
> much
>>> better.  I pinged JB off list, so far no answer there either.
>>>=20
>>> - John
>>>=20
>>> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 11:49 AM Romain Manni-Bucau =
<rmannibucau@gmail.com
>>=20
>>> wrote:
>>>=20
>>>> Hi John,
>>>>=20
>>>> Think we can be blamed to not have answered you but we took actions =
in
>>>> general. That said Mark was more pointing out that if there are =
issues
> with
>>>> the content it should probably be sent to batchee too explaining =
why and
>>>> what is expected/how we can enhance it. Typically this time you =
pointed
> out
>>>> it was "too empty" for you but I'm not sure there is a list I'm not
> aware
>>>> of but it would have been completely silently ignored cause =
batchee@
>>>> wouldn't have been notified of that.
>>>>=20
>>>> More generally it is quite hard to fill this report for stable =
projects
>>>> (which doesn't mean they are not alive but just they are stable =
enough
> to
>>>> not get as much activity as BigData projects ;)). I'm not sure we =
should
>>>> group them either in a new umbrella project or an existing one -
> typically
>>>> we could create an inconsistent bucket in term of user communities =
but
>>>> consistent in term of maintainers/asf guys - or just keep it like =
that
> but
>>>> this "issue" will come back regularly I think and it would be great =
to
>>>> "skip" these round trips if possible and have a clear statement =
about
>>>> projects having by design an irregular activity - thinking to EE
> projects
>>>> which have a big activity after spec releases then mainly just
> maintenance
>>>> until next round.
>>>>=20
>>>> You probably guessed that I would love to avoid to let small =
projects be
>>>> swallowed by bigger projects to skip this kind of =
lifecycle/activity
> issue
>>>> and avoid to create inconsistent (user) communities but I have to =
admit
> I
>>>> don't have a good view of the incubator freedom we can have on that
> area.
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Romain Manni-Bucau
>>>> @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau> |  Blog
>>>> <https://blog-rmannibucau.rhcloud.com> | Old Wordpress Blog
>>>> <http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com> | Github <
>>>> https://github.com/rmannibucau> |
>>>> LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau> | Tomitriber
>>>> <http://www.tomitribe.com> | JavaEE Factory
>>>> <https://javaeefactory-rmannibucau.rhcloud.com>
>>>>=20
>>>> 2016-08-08 17:22 GMT+02:00 John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org>:
>>>>=20
>>>>> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 3:47 AM Mark Struberg =
<struberg@yahoo.de.invalid
>>=20
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>=20
>>>>>> John, others. Would you please also add in the BatchEE amendments =
I
> did
>>>>>> today.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>> Next time a draft is sent, it will be picked up (its just copy and
>>>>=20
>>>> paste).
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>>> The feedback mechanism is great but we could improve this by also
>>>>=20
>>>> sending
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> a mail to the respective podling if you have feedback.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> I know that I've personally sent feedback/questions to BatchEE =
before,
>>>>> without any response from the podling.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> =
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/262e43b2bb49d1ef5058a74f43b4f7
>>>>> c1e4ec6b9fb4f5896d28e95918@%3Cdev.batchee.apache.org%3E
>>>>> =
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/044be9dc4b10136a7025ca5e031b33
>>>>> 12e2dee8b93680483a754b594e@%3Cdev.batchee.apache.org%3E
>>>>>=20
>>>>> - John
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> That way we could fix left-overs and missed paragraphs much =
easier.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> txs and LieGrue,
>>>>>> strub
>>>>>>=20
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>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>=20
>>=20
>> --
>> Jean-Baptiste Onofr=C3=A9
>> jbonofre@apache.org
>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
>> Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>=20
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