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From: "Dennis E. Hamilton" <dennis.hamilton@acm.org>
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Subject: RE: Ease of release process and exit criteria
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 08:41:02 -0700
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+1 to this, including the posts from Mark and Bertrand.

I know of a project where this would have made a serious difference for =
graduation and subsequent sustainability.

 - Dennis

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shane Curcuru [mailto:asf@shanecurcuru.org]
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 07:08
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Ease of release process and exit criteria
>=20
> Bertrand Delacretaz wrote on 8/19/16 5:57 AM:
> > Hi Mark,
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Mark Thomas <markt@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >> ...I'm thinking of a graduation criteria long the lines of:
> >> "Is the release process clearly documented to the point that =
someone
> new
> >> to the project could produce a release build?"...
>=20
> +1, this is a critical point to include.  We continue to see projects
> struggling with releases when early volunteers leave and no-one else
> really understands releases.
>=20
> ...snip...
> > How about also adding an RE50 item to
> > https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-
> model.html
> > about a repeatable release process? That's a discussion for
> > community.a.o but what's your opinion?
>=20
> +1, this is both important to include philosophically as well as
> practically.  I.e. it's an important reminder that project technical
> procedures need to be understandable by the *whole* community, not =
just
> the first few developers who created the project.
>=20
> - Shane
>=20
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