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From Mark Struberg <strub...@yahoo.de.INVALID>
Subject Re: [DRAFT] Incubator PMC Board Report - August 2016
Date Mon, 08 Aug 2016 20:48:16 GMT
Given that Geronimo is nowadays more a kind of „EE commons“, it might fit in there. 

LieGrue,
strub


> Am 08.08.2016 um 22:32 schrieb Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibucau@gmail.com>:
> 
> Le 8 août 2016 21:04, "Jean-Baptiste Onofré" <jb@nanthrax.net> a écrit :
>> 
>> Hi John,
>> 
>> I've probably missed your ping. That's right that last month I didn't
> sign for two reasons:
>> 1. the report was empty
>> 2. I don't see lot of activity on the BatchEE project:
>> 2.1. There are some commits (
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-batchee/commits/master) but not super
> active
>> 2.2. Same for the mailing lists:
>>  http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-batchee-user/
>>  http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-batchee-dev/
>> 
>> I'm not sure that BatchEE can be a project by its own as I'm not sure we
> have a community around (especially an user community).
> 
> To be honest got very various feesback from tomcat, standalone and tomee
> users. Putting batchee behind tomee or geronimo would kill the remaining
> 66% of users IMO and the community would be quite weird or not
> heterogeneous at least (so not a real one). That to say i have a very mixes
> feeling about umbrella projects.
> 
>> I agree with Romain that BatchEE could be part of a kind of umbrella
> project.
>> If we have good sign that we have an user community around, then it makes
> sense to discuss about graduation.
>> 
>> Regards
>> JB
>> 
>> 
>> On 08/08/2016 05:57 PM, John D. Ament wrote:
>>> 
>>> Romain,
>>> 
>>> I've actually been pushing to get BatchEE to graduate for some time.
> IMHO
>>> there's no more benefit in the incubator for you guys.
>>> 
>>> I'm pointing out the issue, as last month a mentor refused sign off due
> to
>>> lack of content in your report.  The current report doesn't seem to be
> much
>>> better.  I pinged JB off list, so far no answer there either.
>>> 
>>> - John
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 11:49 AM Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibucau@gmail.com
>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi John,
>>>> 
>>>> Think we can be blamed to not have answered you but we took actions in
>>>> general. That said Mark was more pointing out that if there are issues
> with
>>>> the content it should probably be sent to batchee too explaining why and
>>>> what is expected/how we can enhance it. Typically this time you pointed
> out
>>>> it was "too empty" for you but I'm not sure there is a list I'm not
> aware
>>>> of but it would have been completely silently ignored cause batchee@
>>>> wouldn't have been notified of that.
>>>> 
>>>> More generally it is quite hard to fill this report for stable projects
>>>> (which doesn't mean they are not alive but just they are stable enough
> to
>>>> not get as much activity as BigData projects ;)). I'm not sure we should
>>>> group them either in a new umbrella project or an existing one -
> typically
>>>> we could create an inconsistent bucket in term of user communities but
>>>> consistent in term of maintainers/asf guys - or just keep it like that
> but
>>>> this "issue" will come back regularly I think and it would be great to
>>>> "skip" these round trips if possible and have a clear statement about
>>>> projects having by design an irregular activity - thinking to EE
> projects
>>>> which have a big activity after spec releases then mainly just
> maintenance
>>>> until next round.
>>>> 
>>>> You probably guessed that I would love to avoid to let small projects be
>>>> swallowed by bigger projects to skip this kind of lifecycle/activity
> issue
>>>> and avoid to create inconsistent (user) communities but I have to admit
> I
>>>> don't have a good view of the incubator freedom we can have on that
> area.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Romain Manni-Bucau
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>>>> 
>>>> 2016-08-08 17:22 GMT+02:00 John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org>:
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 3:47 AM Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de.invalid
>> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> John, others. Would you please also add in the BatchEE amendments
I
> did
>>>>>> today.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> Next time a draft is sent, it will be picked up (its just copy and
>>>> 
>>>> paste).
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> The feedback mechanism is great but we could improve this by also
>>>> 
>>>> sending
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> a mail to the respective podling if you have feedback.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I know that I've personally sent feedback/questions to BatchEE before,
>>>>> without any response from the podling.
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/262e43b2bb49d1ef5058a74f43b4f7
>>>>> c1e4ec6b9fb4f5896d28e95918@%3Cdev.batchee.apache.org%3E
>>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/044be9dc4b10136a7025ca5e031b33
>>>>> 12e2dee8b93680483a754b594e@%3Cdev.batchee.apache.org%3E
>>>>> 
>>>>> - John
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> That way we could fix left-overs and missed paragraphs much easier.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> txs and LieGrue,
>>>>>> strub
>>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>> jbonofre@apache.org
>> http://blog.nanthrax.net
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