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From: Tom Barber <magicaltrout@apache.org>
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 00:04:00 +0100
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Subject: Re: Trafodion podling needs more mentors
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Just for the record, I was asked to help out as a mentor and said I would
happily get involved when I get back from vacation next week.

Tom

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 11:19 PM, Pierre Smits <pierre.smits@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi John,
>
> The question you're asking with respect to how diverse our developer
> community is a wrong one. Focussing on just that is negating our
> contributors of the other kind.
>
> So coming back to the diversity of our community I would say that though it
> is not optimal with respect to the minimalisation of a potential risk of a
> single external entity pressuring a majority of contributors with binding
> votes. Yet, participating in this community from early on in the incubation
> process I can say that the community is mature and know how to separate
> issues revolving around the product of the affiliated party/parties from
> the vision and goals of the project.
>
> Your question regarding how much our community has grown is valid, but in
> al the years lurking and participating in this ml I have never witnessed an
> absolute threshold being referenced as what the size of the community. Nor
> have I ever seen that a podling was told to bring in more diversity when
> the majority of its privileged contributors was affiliated with one
> external party.
>
> The community feels there is a chicken and egg situation here. Adoption is
> expected to grow at a higher rate (thus bringing in more contributors from
> other directions, enabling the community have a more diverse segment of
> those with privileges), when it has a higher status within the ASF than it
> now has. We want to be a TLP, we want more contributors. But we can't
> coerce. Marketing the product and the project is easier when the status of
> the project reflects the resolve of it community. And this community is
> here for the long run.
>
> John, you have also raised your concerns regarding the diversity in the
> thread with subject '[DISCUSS] Trafodion for TLP. Though this should go
> there, I am providing my 2 cents here.
>
> But it seems to me that this Incubator project has an issue of its own. The
> Trafodion podling is yet another one emerging in a short period of time
> notifying this ml of having an issue regarding the participation of its
> mentors. Current active Incubator contributors with privileges seem to have
> a workload to big. Hence the voting on the Trafodion r2.0.1 release is
> already running for 6 day, without any of those, who can cast a binding
> vote, engaging.
> Apart from other aspects this seems (to me) to be a diversity issue as
> well. Can you tell me how long ago the PMC onboarded a contributor to have
> privileges, that was not an ASF Member?
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> Pierre Smits
>
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> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 10:33 PM, John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Dave,
> >
> > Thanks for the very detailed report.  One comment, which I think I made
> > earlier, is that we like to see how your community has grown.  So the
> > numbers don't provide the full details.
> >
> > I'm curious, from your point of view, how close are you to graduating?
> Is
> > your developer community diverse enough?
> >
> > John
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 4:27 PM Dave Birdsall <dave.birdsall@esgyn.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Martin,
> > >
> > > The intended audience for our project are users in the Apache Hadoop
> > > ecosystem looking for transactional and operational SQL. We provide a
> > > transactional and operational SQL engine on top of Apache HBase, with
> > some
> > > support for non-transactional operation on Hive tables. By operational,
> > we
> > > mean to include large reporting queries that one might do on a
> > > transactional database.
> > >
> > > Here's a pointer to our latest Podling Report (search for the string
> > > "Trafodion"): https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/June2016
> > >
> > > So far we have accomplished two releases: 1.3.0 and 2.0.0 (which was in
> > > discussion at the time the podling report was written).
> > >
> > > Very short-term objectives are we have a patch release 2.0.1 that needs
> > > approval. Short-term we are likely to have a Release 2.1 within the
> next
> > > few months.
> > >
> > > Long-term we hope to move to TLP. The biggest issue at the moment is
> > > expanding our community, as most of the developers and active
> committers
> > > are at one company.
> > >
> > > Our SDLC is a comprehensive branch model. We actively merge up any
> > patches
> > > to older branches onto the latest branch. We use git for our source
> > > control. We use Jenkins to automate build and test of changes before
> they
> > > are committed. There is a culture within the podling of quick and
> > thorough
> > > reviews of code changes. Small changes tend to be committed quickly
> while
> > > larger changes take longer. See
> > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-trafodion.
> > >
> > > We have produced a comprehensive set of documentation both of the
> project
> > > code itself and of the development process. The former can be found
> here
> > > http://trafodion.apache.org (see the Documentation tab), and the
> latter
> > in
> > > our wiki
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/Apache+Trafodion+Hom
> > > e (see Trafodion Contributor Guide).
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Martin Gainty [mailto:mgainty@hotmail.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 1:06 PM
> > > To: general@incubator.apache.org
> > > Subject: RE: Trafodion podling needs more mentors
> > >
> > > what have you accomplished thus far?
> > > what are your short-term objectives..(what do you need by the end of
> > > 2016)?
> > >
> > > what are the long term objectives?
> > > what is your SDLC...submit jira ..submit patch and testcase and hope
> > > integration works OR comprehensive branch cut for major new release and
> > > then hopefully merge sometime later
> > >
> > > who is the intended audience for Trafodion?
> > > Thanks Dave!
> > > Martin
> > > ______________________________________________
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > From: dave.birdsall@esgyn.com
> > > > Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 12:58:31 -0700
> > > > Subject: Trafodion podling needs more mentors
> > > > To: general@incubator.apache.org
> > > >
> > > > Hello Incubator community,
> > > >
> > > > The incubating Trafodion project needs more mentors. The project is
> in
> > > > reasonably good shape from an infrastructure and work-habits point of
> > > view.
> > > > We have done two releases now, learning many lessons from that
> > > experience.
> > > > But we need more help checking out our release candidates. Our
> current
> > > > mentors have been pressed for time. (We started with five, two have
> > > since
> > > > resigned due to other obligations.) Anyone game?
> > > >
> > > > Kind regards,
> > > >
> > > > Dave Birdsall (member of Trafodion podling PMC)
> > >
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