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From: Marvin Humphrey <marvin@rectangular.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 07:03:29 -0700
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Subject: Re: [VOTE] $podling.apache.org is the same as $podling.incubator.apache.org
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On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 6:17 AM, Justin Mclean <justin@classsoftware.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
>> The presence of the word "incubator" in the URL is deliberate: it alerts users
>> that a podling is incubating.  I'd feel better about this proposal if podlings
>> weren't so successful about concealing their incubation status[1][2].
>>
>> -0, since the Incubator remains unserious about incubation disclaimers on
>> websites.
>
> Perhaps a solution to this it's a require poddlings to be serous about this when they make a release? i.e. vote -1 if the incubating disclaimer is not clear on a poddling site.
>
> (And I would be willing to vote that way on releases if this vote passes)

Well, I hate that solution because it counts on you playing Bad Cop, Justin.
Other people need to do their part.  We have lots of people voting to remove
the controls and only a handful stepping up to address the underlying issues
that the controls were meant to address.

An even worse example than Eagle: after 6 months in incubation, Impala still
has no website at impala.apache.org / impala.incubator.apache.org and the
existing site at impala.io encourages people to buy support from a specific
vendor!

  http://impala.io/

  Retain Freedom from Lock-in

  Impala is open source (Apache License), so you can self-support in
  perpetuity if you wish. However, technical support for those who want it
  is available via a Cloudera Enterprise subscription.

This situation is more dire than I thought.  I'm changing my vote to -1
binding.

We need more confidence that we can actually count on human oversight to
address branding issues before removing the automatic controls.

Marvin Humphrey

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