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From Dave Birdsall <dave.birds...@esgyn.com>
Subject RE: Trafodion podling needs more mentors
Date Wed, 15 Jun 2016 23:13:05 GMT
Hi John,

Thanks for the comments. These help.

Speaking only for myself, I'm not far from retirement age and I'm likely to
continue contributing after I retire, simply because I've worked on this
code base for 20 years now and I love it. I'm always surprised to get paid
to do this stuff.

I'll take a look at the Esgyn web site for branding issues.

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: John D. Ament [mailto:johndament@apache.org]
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 4:05 PM
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Trafodion podling needs more mentors

Dave,

For some reason, I feel like I commented on that thread as well, but don't
see it, so I'm either thinking of something else or its inlined somewhere
that I didn't see (e.g. the emails back and forth with Pierre).

The question to always ask with company alliances is if someone would
contribute to the project if they weren't paid by $dayjob to do so.  The
beauty of the Apache Way is by focusing on individuals, this problem becomes
more apparent.  Of the new contributors you added that work for Esgyn, which
of them would realistically contribute to Trafodion if they weren't employed
by Esgyn?  Likewise, if Esgyn stopped building a product on top of
Trafodion, would those contributors remain?

In addition, with such tight company affiliation, does the PMC represent a
reasonable cross section so that they can assert their iP claims?  For
example, based on looking at the usage of Trafodion vs Apache Trafodion on
https://esgyn.com/ would the PMC send an email to some representative of
Esgyn asking them to correct the branding errors? (To be clear, a cursory
look around the website only gives me one minor error, nothing crazy like
we've seen with other projects, you've done a great job keeping branding in
line with guidelines on both the ASF site and here)

These are the reasons, at least from my POV, why community diversity is
important.  To be honest, I don't see any of the typical warning signs I see
with company backed ASF projects that I see here.  Its clear that its ASF
developed first.  I see great communication and collaboration via email
(heck, I wish my $dayjob communicated this well via email).

So to answer your question, no, I don't think Trafodion needs more mentors.
Maybe you need some help with the graduation process, but from my POV you
seem like TLP material to me.

John

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 5:02 PM Dave Birdsall <dave.birdsall@esgyn.com>
wrote:

> John,
>
> When we first entered incubation, we had nine committers, all
> Hewlett-Packard employees. A couple of months later, four of those
> decamped to a new company, Esgyn Corporation, while the remainder
> either stayed with HP or moved on to other opportunities. The four
> have remained very active while the remaining five are mostly inactive.
>
> Since then we have added six more committers, of whom five are
> affiliated with Esgyn and one not.
>
> There are many more contributors that are active as well.
>
> Here's a list:
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/Contributors.
> It's not complete; I can think of some contributors who are not
> listed. (We -- the Trafodion podling -- should fix that.)
>
> We recently had a discussion amongst ourselves concerning readiness
> for TLP.
> Community diversity is something we think we need to improve. Advice
> and help in this regard would be welcome.
>
> Dave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John D. Ament [mailto:johndament@apache.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 1:33 PM
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Trafodion podling needs more mentors
>
> Dave,
>
> Thanks for the very detailed report.  One comment, which I think I
> made earlier, is that we like to see how your community has grown.  So
> the numbers don't provide the full details.
>
> I'm curious, from your point of view, how close are you to graduating?
> Is your developer community diverse enough?
>
> John
>
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 4:27 PM Dave Birdsall
> <dave.birdsall@esgyn.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Martin,
> >
> > The intended audience for our project are users in the Apache Hadoop
> > ecosystem looking for transactional and operational SQL. We provide
> > a transactional and operational SQL engine on top of Apache HBase,
> > with some support for non-transactional operation on Hive tables. By
> > operational, we mean to include large reporting queries that one
> > might do on a transactional database.
> >
> > Here's a pointer to our latest Podling Report (search for the string
> > "Trafodion"): https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/June2016
> >
> > So far we have accomplished two releases: 1.3.0 and 2.0.0 (which was
> > in discussion at the time the podling report was written).
> >
> > Very short-term objectives are we have a patch release 2.0.1 that
> > needs approval. Short-term we are likely to have a Release 2.1
> > within the next few months.
> >
> > Long-term we hope to move to TLP. The biggest issue at the moment is
> > expanding our community, as most of the developers and active
> > committers are at one company.
> >
> > Our SDLC is a comprehensive branch model. We actively merge up any
> > patches to older branches onto the latest branch. We use git for our
> > source control. We use Jenkins to automate build and test of changes
> > before they are committed. There is a culture within the podling of
> > quick and thorough reviews of code changes. Small changes tend to be
> > committed quickly while larger changes take longer. See
> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-trafodion.
> >
> > We have produced a comprehensive set of documentation both of the
> > project code itself and of the development process. The former can
> > be found here http://trafodion.apache.org (see the Documentation
> > tab), and the latter in our wiki
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/Apache+Trafodi
> > on
> > +Hom
> > e (see Trafodion Contributor Guide).
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Martin Gainty [mailto:mgainty@hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 1:06 PM
> > To: general@incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: RE: Trafodion podling needs more mentors
> >
> > what have you accomplished thus far?
> > what are your short-term objectives..(what do you need by the end of
> > 2016)?
> >
> > what are the long term objectives?
> > what is your SDLC...submit jira ..submit patch and testcase and hope
> > integration works OR comprehensive branch cut for major new release
> > and then hopefully merge sometime later
> >
> > who is the intended audience for Trafodion?
> > Thanks Dave!
> > Martin
> > ______________________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> > > From: dave.birdsall@esgyn.com
> > > Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 12:58:31 -0700
> > > Subject: Trafodion podling needs more mentors
> > > To: general@incubator.apache.org
> > >
> > > Hello Incubator community,
> > >
> > > The incubating Trafodion project needs more mentors. The project
> > > is in reasonably good shape from an infrastructure and work-habits
> > > point of
> > view.
> > > We have done two releases now, learning many lessons from that
> > experience.
> > > But we need more help checking out our release candidates. Our
> > > current mentors have been pressed for time. (We started with five,
> > > two have
> > since
> > > resigned due to other obligations.) Anyone game?
> > >
> > > Kind regards,
> > >
> > > Dave Birdsall (member of Trafodion podling PMC)
> >
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