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From Dave Birdsall <dave.birds...@esgyn.com>
Subject RE: Trafodion podling needs more mentors
Date Tue, 21 Jun 2016 01:00:52 GMT
At the moment, mainly two things:

1. Release validation
2. Occasional administrative items associated with adding new committers
and/or podling PMC members

-----Original Message-----
From: John D. Ament [mailto:johndament@apache.org]
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 5:43 PM
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Trafodion podling needs more mentors

Also, could you please expound on what you are reliant on St.Ack on?

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 8:34 PM Roman Shaposhnik <roman@shaposhnik.org>
wrote:

> Help me understand, why is this a mentor issue and not IPMC one?
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 6:38 PM, Atanu Mishra <atanu.mishra@esgyn.com>
> wrote:
> > Response below.
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Roman Shaposhnik
> > <roman@shaposhnik.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 4:05 PM, John D. Ament
> >> <johndament@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> > Dave,
> >> >
> >> > For some reason, I feel like I commented on that thread as well,
> >> > but
> >> don't
> >> > see it, so I'm either thinking of something else or its inlined
> somewhere
> >> > that I didn't see (e.g. the emails back and forth with Pierre).
> >> >
> >> > The question to always ask with company alliances is if someone
> >> > would contribute to the project if they weren't paid by $dayjob to do
> >> > so.
> The
> >> > beauty of the Apache Way is by focusing on individuals, this
> >> > problem becomes more apparent.  Of the new contributors you added
> >> > that work
> for
> >> > Esgyn, which of them would realistically contribute to Trafodion
> >> > if
> they
> >> > weren't employed by Esgyn?  Likewise, if Esgyn stopped building a
> product
> >> > on top of Trafodion, would those contributors remain?
> >> >
> >> > In addition, with such tight company affiliation, does the PMC
> represent
> >> a
> >> > reasonable cross section so that they can assert their iP claims?
> >> > For example, based on looking at the usage of Trafodion vs Apache
> Trafodion
> >> on
> >> > https://esgyn.com/ would the PMC send an email to some
> representative of
> >> > Esgyn asking them to correct the branding errors? (To be clear, a
> cursory
> >> > look around the website only gives me one minor error, nothing
> >> > crazy
> like
> >> > we've seen with other projects, you've done a great job keeping
> branding
> >> in
> >> > line with guidelines on both the ASF site and here)
> >> >
> >> > These are the reasons, at least from my POV, why community
> >> > diversity
> is
> >> > important.  To be honest, I don't see any of the typical warning
> signs I
> >> > see with company backed ASF projects that I see here.  Its clear
> >> > that
> its
> >> > ASF developed first.  I see great communication and collaboration
> >> > via
> >> email
> >> > (heck, I wish my $dayjob communicated this well via email).
> >> >
> >> > So to answer your question, no, I don't think Trafodion needs
> >> > more mentors.  Maybe you need some help with the graduation
> >> > process, but
> from
> >> my
> >> > POV you seem like TLP material to me.
> >>
> >> +1 to the above. I honestly still don't understand what is the
> >> +problem
> >> with Trafodion
> >> (if any) that piling mentors up would be a good solution to.
> >>
> >
> > An extract from the original email should help answer that question.
> > We are very dependent on one mentor (St.Ack) at the moment.
> >
> >> We have done two releases now, learning many lessons from that
> > experience.
> >> But we need more help checking out our release candidates. Our
> >> current mentors have been pressed for time. (We started with five,
> >> two have
> since
> >> resigned due to other obligations.)
> >
> > Atanu
> >
> > --
> > __________
> > *Atanu Mishra*
> > *Esgyn Corporation*
> > Milpitas, CA 95035
> > m: +1.408.219.9765
>
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