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From James Carman <>
Subject Re: [ALL] Volunteers for a Math PPMC?
Date Sun, 12 Jun 2016 11:30:38 GMT
On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 12:11 PM Dennis E. Hamilton <>

> Interesting.  Does this mean migrating Commons Math to a math PPMC (not
> IPMC)?
> Would the scope be the same?
I do not know if the scope for Math would change necessarily, but I would
imagine you'd see some new innovations coming from it, such as
distributed/parallel computing versions of some algorithms.  I would leave
that up to the new PPMC (thanks for the correction) or PMC.   I do know
that the main person working on it right now, Gilles Sadowski, has some
plans to split it up into multiple, independent modules so that they can
have their own release cycles, etc.  This was something suggested by the
other contributors before they forked ( the project
and did that very thing.

Would Commons Math go to the Attic?
This is what I am trying to prevent.  I think Math has a future here at the
ASF and it would be a shame for it to "die" at this time.  My hope is to
take it to a TLP by way of the Incubator in order to help it gain a larger
community around it.  It really hasn't ever had a large, sustained
community of contributors (other than us folks in the peanut gallery from
the Commons PMC that aren't math experts like the core group).

Is there some problem that this is meant to solve?  How is it a solution?
Math has always been an odd bird in Commons, IMHO.  FWIW, here is the
discussion thread we had about moving it to TLP (the subsequent VOTE
passed, btw):

>  - Dennis
> PS: I have labored through the dev-commons thread on [Math] Commons Math
> (r)evolution, and a few other of the June math-related posts.  I think
> going through the effort to create an Incubation proposal would be useful.
> You will have to come to grips, and clarity, on whether and to what extent
> this is effectively an ASF-internal fork.  Not that there is anything wrong
> with that.  It is leaving it unresolved that strikes me as solving nothing.
This is *not* a fork!  We (with the blessing of the Commons PMC) would be
moving the code a TLP, but we (maybe just "I" at this point, I don't know)
would like for it to spend a bit of time in the Incubator in order to build
a more diverse community around it and make sure it can stand on its own.
I don't think there is precedent for this, but that doesn't mean it's a bad
idea.  Commons Math's community wasn't large enough to sustain this exodus
(5 people) and it is a pretty bad spot right now, with only one regular
contributor left over.  I'm not going to go into what caused this
situation.  We are where we are.  We just need to try to do what's best for
Math and let it move forward.

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