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From Ted Dunning <ted.dunn...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [ALL] Volunteers for a Math IPMC?
Date Tue, 14 Jun 2016 21:57:42 GMT
I don't think that there is a good definition of empty. The smaller the
initial community, the larger the effort to bootstrap is the observation,
but we don't really have a magic rule to apply.



On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 2:55 PM, James Carman <james@carmanconsulting.com>
wrote:

> What do we consider "empty"? Is there some observed "critical mass"? Right
> now I believe we are 4 (to contribute), but they have had users for a long
> time.
>
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 5:29 PM John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Generally speaking, incubation is to nurture a community to adopting the
> > Apache Way.  This includes self governance, community growth and
> licensing
> > policies.
> >
> > We generally expect some kind of backing community to bring this to.  We
> > have seen pretty consistently that starting from an empty community
> doesn't
> > work.  It doesn't mean that it's impossible, but very hard to do.
> >
> > John
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 3:07 PM Jochen Wiedmann <
> jochen.wiedmann@gmail.com
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 8:54 PM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Looking back through the discussion, it is a bit of a problem that
> one
> > of
> > > > the major reasons given for the fork is that the team thought that
> they
> > > > didn't have a large enough PMC and that incubation wouldn't get them
> > > enough
> > > > additional contributors. That made it seem like the project should go
> > > > forward without meeting Apache requirements (i.e. outside).
> > > >
> > > > Is the situation really that different now that a vastly diminished
> > team
> > > is
> > > > likely to benefit from incubation enough to form a viable TLP?
> > > >
> > > > (I hate that this sounds negative ... it is a real question)
> > >
> > > We can't tell you. It is just, that some of us (including me) have the
> > > feeling/opinion, that going through the Incubator is the path, where
> > > the chances are best to attract new committers.
> > >
> > > Jochen
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > The next time you hear: "Don't reinvent the wheel!"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.keystonedevelopment.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/evolution-of-the-wheel-300x85.jpg
> > >
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