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From Ted Dunning <ted.dunn...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [ALL] Volunteers for a Math IPMC?
Date Sat, 18 Jun 2016 18:00:34 GMT
On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 4:29 AM, Gilles <gilles@harfang.homelinux.org>
wrote:

> ...
> I'm asking, again, whether I need to initiate a VOTE that would allow me
> to set up a workspace ("git", etc.) and transfer some code from CM over
> there.
>

Nothing is stopping you from setting something up.  Github is usually the
easiest way.

It doesn't sound like that is what you want, however. I don't understand
why not.


>
> It may be that incubation is a good thing for Commons Math, but it doesn't
>> seem valid to say that incubation is necessary because CM is being kicked
>> out of Commons.
>>
>
> Never said so.
>

Hmm... I must have misunderstood the comment about CM not being interested
in hosting "these components".


> There is a confusion here: *I* say that CM is dead.
>

Strong words. Such statements are often frustrating to others. It does
sound like the community has dwindled, perhaps beyond repair.

The development situation *will* change because the context *has* changed
> (unsupported code). CM cannot go on as it did before the fork.
>

You can never go home. No project stays the same.


> Everybody (developers, users, Commons PMC) would be better off with a
> selected set of new (supported) components because this is something we
> can easily do *now* (RERO, etc.).
>

This was your assertion in the long email thread. It seemed that there was
significant counter-positions.


> I'm OK to go through the incubator to do that; but I don't see that it
> is an easier path.  Surely it looks longer.  And it seems that even the
> incubator people doubt that it will lead anywhere.
>

The incubator is for building community and adapting to Apache. If you
don't have a seed community, then incubator is the wrong place. You need to
have more than just you.



>
> Given the uncertain outcome, going through the incubator would be an
> attempt at rethinking the development of the currently unsupported
> code.  See e.g.
>   https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MATH-172
> [Or is that out of scope for an incubation proposal?]


Incubator is not a place to rethink code. It is primarily for building
community.


>
>
>
> Gilles
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 3:35 PM, Gilles <gilles@harfang.homelinux.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 08:51:36 -0700, Ted Dunning wrote:
>>>
>>> Excuse me?
>>>>
>>>> See inline.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 7:50 AM, Gilles <gilles@harfang.homelinux.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 14 Jun 2016 11:01:13 -0700, Ralph Goers wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought this had been made clear.  Several months Commons voted to
>>>>>
>>>>>> make Math a TLP. But shortly after that most of the people involved
>>>>>> with Commons Math felt that a TLP at the ASF would not work for them,
>>>>>> so they forked the project and left, effectively voiding the TLP
vote
>>>>>> since the proposed PMC is no longer valid.  There is one person left
>>>>>> who was very involved in Commons Math and a few other people who
have
>>>>>> expressed interest in joining the new community.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So this is a situation where we have an already existing code base
>>>>>> where a lot of the people left are not familiar with quite a bit
of
>>>>>> it.  The new group of people who are interested are trying to
>>>>>> determine how they should move forward. There is some talk of breaking
>>>>>> Commons Math into smaller components and possibly dropping some where
>>>>>> there is no one to maintain it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The "Commons" project not being interested in hosting those
>>>>> components,
>>>>> is the "incubator" a good place for the developers wishing to go in
>>>>> that
>>>>> direction?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps before we move to next steps, could you provide some links to
>>>> the
>>>> discussion where it was decided that Commons is not interested in
>>>> hosting
>>>> these components?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I proposed to concretely examine this possibility in more than
>>> one message:
>>>   http://markmail.org/message/ye6wvqvlvnqe4qrp
>>>   http://markmail.org/message/3gupcednhqtcfepw
>>>   http://markmail.org/message/3kob7djjicax6rgn
>>>   http://markmail.org/message/7rb2mxq7hhwzykvr
>>>
>>> And again in another thread:
>>>   http://markmail.org/message/fnlta2ttfne3aj5f
>>>
>>>
>>> What's the next step?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's get to a common understanding of what went before.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Even that seems impossible. :-(
>>>
>>>
>>> Gilles
>>>
>>>
>>>
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