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From Pierre Smits <pierre.sm...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Trafodion podling needs more mentors
Date Wed, 15 Jun 2016 22:19:22 GMT
Hi John,

The question you're asking with respect to how diverse our developer
community is a wrong one. Focussing on just that is negating our
contributors of the other kind.

So coming back to the diversity of our community I would say that though it
is not optimal with respect to the minimalisation of a potential risk of a
single external entity pressuring a majority of contributors with binding
votes. Yet, participating in this community from early on in the incubation
process I can say that the community is mature and know how to separate
issues revolving around the product of the affiliated party/parties from
the vision and goals of the project.

Your question regarding how much our community has grown is valid, but in
al the years lurking and participating in this ml I have never witnessed an
absolute threshold being referenced as what the size of the community. Nor
have I ever seen that a podling was told to bring in more diversity when
the majority of its privileged contributors was affiliated with one
external party.

The community feels there is a chicken and egg situation here. Adoption is
expected to grow at a higher rate (thus bringing in more contributors from
other directions, enabling the community have a more diverse segment of
those with privileges), when it has a higher status within the ASF than it
now has. We want to be a TLP, we want more contributors. But we can't
coerce. Marketing the product and the project is easier when the status of
the project reflects the resolve of it community. And this community is
here for the long run.

John, you have also raised your concerns regarding the diversity in the
thread with subject '[DISCUSS] Trafodion for TLP. Though this should go
there, I am providing my 2 cents here.

But it seems to me that this Incubator project has an issue of its own. The
Trafodion podling is yet another one emerging in a short period of time
notifying this ml of having an issue regarding the participation of its
mentors. Current active Incubator contributors with privileges seem to have
a workload to big. Hence the voting on the Trafodion r2.0.1 release is
already running for 6 day, without any of those, who can cast a binding
vote, engaging.
Apart from other aspects this seems (to me) to be a diversity issue as
well. Can you tell me how long ago the PMC onboarded a contributor to have
privileges, that was not an ASF Member?

Best regards,


Pierre Smits

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On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 10:33 PM, John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org>
wrote:

> Dave,
>
> Thanks for the very detailed report.  One comment, which I think I made
> earlier, is that we like to see how your community has grown.  So the
> numbers don't provide the full details.
>
> I'm curious, from your point of view, how close are you to graduating?  Is
> your developer community diverse enough?
>
> John
>
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 4:27 PM Dave Birdsall <dave.birdsall@esgyn.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Martin,
> >
> > The intended audience for our project are users in the Apache Hadoop
> > ecosystem looking for transactional and operational SQL. We provide a
> > transactional and operational SQL engine on top of Apache HBase, with
> some
> > support for non-transactional operation on Hive tables. By operational,
> we
> > mean to include large reporting queries that one might do on a
> > transactional database.
> >
> > Here's a pointer to our latest Podling Report (search for the string
> > "Trafodion"): https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/June2016
> >
> > So far we have accomplished two releases: 1.3.0 and 2.0.0 (which was in
> > discussion at the time the podling report was written).
> >
> > Very short-term objectives are we have a patch release 2.0.1 that needs
> > approval. Short-term we are likely to have a Release 2.1 within the next
> > few months.
> >
> > Long-term we hope to move to TLP. The biggest issue at the moment is
> > expanding our community, as most of the developers and active committers
> > are at one company.
> >
> > Our SDLC is a comprehensive branch model. We actively merge up any
> patches
> > to older branches onto the latest branch. We use git for our source
> > control. We use Jenkins to automate build and test of changes before they
> > are committed. There is a culture within the podling of quick and
> thorough
> > reviews of code changes. Small changes tend to be committed quickly while
> > larger changes take longer. See
> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-trafodion.
> >
> > We have produced a comprehensive set of documentation both of the project
> > code itself and of the development process. The former can be found here
> > http://trafodion.apache.org (see the Documentation tab), and the latter
> in
> > our wiki
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TRAFODION/Apache+Trafodion+Hom
> > e (see Trafodion Contributor Guide).
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Martin Gainty [mailto:mgainty@hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 1:06 PM
> > To: general@incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: RE: Trafodion podling needs more mentors
> >
> > what have you accomplished thus far?
> > what are your short-term objectives..(what do you need by the end of
> > 2016)?
> >
> > what are the long term objectives?
> > what is your SDLC...submit jira ..submit patch and testcase and hope
> > integration works OR comprehensive branch cut for major new release and
> > then hopefully merge sometime later
> >
> > who is the intended audience for Trafodion?
> > Thanks Dave!
> > Martin
> > ______________________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> > > From: dave.birdsall@esgyn.com
> > > Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 12:58:31 -0700
> > > Subject: Trafodion podling needs more mentors
> > > To: general@incubator.apache.org
> > >
> > > Hello Incubator community,
> > >
> > > The incubating Trafodion project needs more mentors. The project is in
> > > reasonably good shape from an infrastructure and work-habits point of
> > view.
> > > We have done two releases now, learning many lessons from that
> > experience.
> > > But we need more help checking out our release candidates. Our current
> > > mentors have been pressed for time. (We started with five, two have
> > since
> > > resigned due to other obligations.) Anyone game?
> > >
> > > Kind regards,
> > >
> > > Dave Birdsall (member of Trafodion podling PMC)
> >
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