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From Roman Shaposhnik <>
Subject Re: Trafodion podling needs more mentors
Date Fri, 17 Jun 2016 23:58:02 GMT
On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 4:05 PM, John D. Ament <> wrote:
> Dave,
> For some reason, I feel like I commented on that thread as well, but don't
> see it, so I'm either thinking of something else or its inlined somewhere
> that I didn't see (e.g. the emails back and forth with Pierre).
> The question to always ask with company alliances is if someone would
> contribute to the project if they weren't paid by $dayjob to do so.  The
> beauty of the Apache Way is by focusing on individuals, this problem
> becomes more apparent.  Of the new contributors you added that work for
> Esgyn, which of them would realistically contribute to Trafodion if they
> weren't employed by Esgyn?  Likewise, if Esgyn stopped building a product
> on top of Trafodion, would those contributors remain?
> In addition, with such tight company affiliation, does the PMC represent a
> reasonable cross section so that they can assert their iP claims?  For
> example, based on looking at the usage of Trafodion vs Apache Trafodion on
> would the PMC send an email to some representative of
> Esgyn asking them to correct the branding errors? (To be clear, a cursory
> look around the website only gives me one minor error, nothing crazy like
> we've seen with other projects, you've done a great job keeping branding in
> line with guidelines on both the ASF site and here)
> These are the reasons, at least from my POV, why community diversity is
> important.  To be honest, I don't see any of the typical warning signs I
> see with company backed ASF projects that I see here.  Its clear that its
> ASF developed first.  I see great communication and collaboration via email
> (heck, I wish my $dayjob communicated this well via email).
> So to answer your question, no, I don't think Trafodion needs more
> mentors.  Maybe you need some help with the graduation process, but from my
> POV you seem like TLP material to me.

+1 to the above. I honestly still don't understand what is the problem
with Trafodion
(if any) that piling mentors up would be a good solution to.


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