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From "John D. Ament" <johndam...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] A users@ mailing list for Apache Mynewt
Date Fri, 20 May 2016 22:42:22 GMT
Would the new pony mail UI help?

https://lists.apache.org/list.html?mynewt.apache.org

John

On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 4:03 PM James Pace <pace@runtime.io> wrote:

> Hello. I am participating in the Apache Mynewt project and want to pose a
> quick question that might have been brought up previously… Are there any
> other ASF-supported alternatives to the current mail archive UI? If there’s
> a solution that’s been proposed, we’re keen to here; if not, we would be
> keen to explore options.
>
> thanks, pace
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> > From: James Pace <pace@runtime.io>
> > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] A users@ mailing list for Apache Mynewt
> > Date: May 20, 2016 at 8:04:36 PDT
> > To: dev@mynewt.incubator.apache.org
> >
> > I agree 100% on the mail archive. If we could tee this off to a better
> interface (more intuitive threading and search) and maintain sync, that
> would help the community a lot.
> >
> > I am also a newbie to the ASF, but wondering if someone in the
> infrastructure or incubator group might have some thoughts or heard this
> before. We can inquire at general@incubator.apache.org, which I’ll do.
> >
> > Good to see you here, David.
> >
> > —pace
> >
> > On May 20, 2016, at 7:55, David G. Simmons <santafen@mac.com> wrote:
> >
> >> As a n00b, I’ll chime in here with my experience so far … Just my
> $0.02, so take it as you will. I’ve been involved in a few ‘new’
> product/protocol/platform development efforts over the years though.
> >>
> >> As a new user and (potential) developer, the lack of a ‘user’ list was
> (as another has previously stated) a bit intimidating. I’m not (yet) a
> mynewt developer, just a hacker trying to get stuff working. I finally bit
> the bullet and posted to the dev list and was obviously pleasantly
> surprised by both the speed and friendliness of the response. There is a
> LOT of value in having the folks actually developing the system see all the
> questions from the users. I know it can be a distraction from the ‘real’
> work to get silly questions from new users, but in my experience, the
> success of a platform is in many ways highly dependent on the experience of
> new users. If someone new can’t start using the platform, then you wont’
> have new users, and …
> >>
> >> I found the archives, and attempted to go through them as best I could
> in order to find answers to questions I was having initially. I figured
> most of them out on my own, from repeated trips through the docs, etc., but
> the email archives could be much more helpful. The problem is that the mail
> archives are … so 1998. Not searchable, only navigable by year/month, etc.
> Having a proper interface to the mail archives would make them much more
> useful to users. Even the mail-archive.com interface — which has search —
> would work nicely. Having a forum — along the lines of phpBB2, though those
> are notoriously hard to keep spammers out of — with an email-to-forum
> gateway would also be helpful.
> >>
> >> Back to hacking …
> >>
> >> dg
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On May 19, 2016, at 4:42 PM, James Pace <pace@runtime.io> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I’d personally like to see these separated. Many of the comments that
> are coming in are routine (though very informative) and do not inform the
> design or development of Apache Mynewt.
> >>>
> >>> And, besides, it is likely that you will have “user” and “dev”
> sourced to the same mailbox or mail filter!
> >>>
> >>> On May 19, 2016, at 11:12, paul@wrada.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I¹d prefer to keep them together for now.  As this is new, I think
> that
> >>>> developers are going to learn a lot from the users issues or
> questions,
> >>>> and vice versa.  I agree that this will get too much at some point,
> but
> >>>> I¹m really getting a lot from seeing the user and developer issues
> >>>> together.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 5/19/16, 11:08 AM, "aditi hilbert" <aditi@runtime.io> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> With Mynewt attracting an increasing number of both users and
> developers
> >>>>> of various levels, it might make practical sense to have a users@
> mailing
> >>>>> list separate from dev@ mailing list. That way support questions
> about
> >>>>> product usage, asks, needs etc can be separated from
> >>>>> developer/design/architecture discussions. Of course, there has
to be
> >>>>> communication between the two groups to build truly useful and usable
> >>>>> features, but we can bring some organization to it with the separate
> >>>>> mailing lists. Please comment on the suggestion.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Let¹s keep this thread open through the weekend to gauge the general
> >>>>> response.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> thanks,
> >>>>> aditi
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
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