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From "P. Taylor Goetz" <ptgo...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Podling name search - early or late?
Date Fri, 27 May 2016 23:19:31 GMT
+1 for doing it early. Waiting to the bitter end can delay graduation, and a podling rename
can be disruptive.

IMO part of incubation is about establishing and learning how to protect your brand. Establishing
a brand is not an exercise you want to have to do twice.

-Taylor

> On May 27, 2016, at 6:37 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov>
wrote:
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> I’ve always done the podling name search right away. I’m not
> sure where that comment came from from Shane - my experience
> has been the opposite.
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>> On 5/27/16, 3:35 PM, "Stian Soiland-Reyes" <stain@apache.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I think the point is that name search is not a blocker for doing incubator
>> releases - it can be time consuming and there are many other "bureaucratic"
>> steps to get through in the beginning like IP clearance and license
>> checking.
>> 
>> For brand new projects, name search can therefore be delayed - their name
>> is less important as their community will be fully within the incubator to
>> start with.
>> 
>> However I think for established distributed projects moving to the
>> incubator it is more important to sort name earlier - it can be disruptive
>> enough for the community with the change of infrastructure and the
>> formalities, so you may might not want to confuse them again with a new
>> name many months later - effectively changing all infrastructure again.
>> 
>> Some podlings found their name could be tricky trademark wise and had to
>> change, but getting together and deciding a new name can even be a good
>> thing, as it breaks any legacy corporate ownership and builds a new
>> collective identity.
>>> On 27 May 2016 7:20 p.m., "Balaji Ganesan" <bganesan@apache.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Podling namesearch is essential step that needs to be completed before the
>>> podling graduates. There is no specific guidance, as far as i know, on what
>>> stage of podling you should do it.
>>> 
>>> That said, it would be better to do this early enough and get approval on
>>> the name. If there is any reason to change name, due to a conflict, it is
>>> better to do it before releases are made and community starts building
>>> around. Name change is always a pain.
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 11:07 AM, Jakob Homan <jghoman@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> We were getting ready to start the PNS for Airflow when I came across
>>>> this comment from Shane in regards to Kudu:
>>>> 
>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-93
>>>> "This looks like a pretty good set of search data, but we usually
>>>> don't work on resolving PODLINGNAMESEARCHES until a podling is clearly
>>>> established, has a release, community is building, etc."
>>>> 
>>>> This is surprising to me and different than the last time I was
>>>> involved in an incubating project.  Is this correct?
>>>> 
>>>> It seems more useful to determine if a name can be used early in the
>>>> incubation, before releases, talks, thousands of lines code, package
>>>> names, emotional attachments, etc.  In the event that a podling fails,
>>>> nothing is lost by okaying the name early, assuming we don't attempt
>>>> to trademark (which we haven't been for non-TLPs, I believe).
>>>> 
>>>> Any thoughts?  Any reason not to start doing the PNS for Airflow now?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Jakob
>>>> 
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