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From "John D. Ament" <johndam...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Graduate Johnzon from the Incubator
Date Sun, 03 Apr 2016 22:54:01 GMT
Niali,

I don't disagree with your assessment.  In actuality, Johnzon has only
added one committer in its 22 months in the incubator, who later joined
their PPMC and is now slated to be their VP.  However, adding committers
isn't the only form of community growth we expect to see when graduating.
JIRA tickets, user input and seeing the developers interact on the various
lists are also taken into account.

The fact that the podling has some potential new committers in the pipeline
is also great to hear.

The minimum viable project is three PMC members.  Johnzon is a bit bigger
than that.  You also have to keep in mind that there are some projects that
are just gigantic.  Not every project needs to match that structure.

John

On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 5:58 PM Niall Pemberton <niall.pemberton@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 8:26 PM, Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> > Please look at more current data
> >
> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-johnzon/graphs/contributors
>
>
> I didn't see your commits today - but otherwise doesn't look alot
> difference.
>
> Also note that there are patches applied from contributors via Jira patches
> > and NOT via git-pull. Thus they show not up in the graph above.
> >
> > From that category we have Reinhard Sandtner (apacheId rsandtner) which
> is
> > closely looked for as potential committer and Karl Grosse (also on our
> > watch list). Both provided patches and contributed in hacking sessions.
> >
>
> Thats great, but I agree with the  June, Sept & Dec 2015 board reports
> about growing the committers/ppmc - and I don't understand why that was
> reported as a graduation requirement and now its not and Johnzon is ready?
>
> Niall
>
>
>
>
> >
> >
> > LieGrue,
> > strub
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Sunday, 3 April 2016, 20:18, Niall Pemberton <
> > niall.pemberton@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Johnzon reports for June, Sept & Dec 2015 all listed "adding new
> > > committers/pmc members" in the "most important issues to address in
> > > the
> > > move towards graduation" - but in that time there were no changes to
> the
> > > community. So what changed to make the ppmc/mentors now think the
> project
> > > is ready to graduate?
> > >
> > > Johnzon has added Hendrik Saly as a committer/ppmc member (Aug 2014 /
> Apr
> > > 2015), but of the 6 original committers listed on the original
> proposal,
> > > only 3 are on proposed TLP, so the statement in the Maturity model
> saying
> > > "List of commmitters and PPMC members has grown during incubation" is
> > > a bit
> > > misleading.
> > >
> > > From looking at commits, there are only 2 active people[1] and for me
> > thats
> > > a concern for the projects long term viability and so my vote is -1 to
> > > graduation.
> > >
> > > [1] http://markmail.org/search/?q=list%3Aorg.apache.fleece.commits
> > >
> > > Niall
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 8:49 PM, Hendrik Dev <hendrikdev22@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >>  The Apache Johnzon community has discussed and voted on graduation to
> > >>  a top level project. The vote passed with 8 +1 votes (5 from the
> PPMC)
> > >>  and no 0 or -1 votes.
> > >>
> > >>  Incubation Status:
> > >>  http://incubator.apache.org/projects/johnzon.html
> > >>  Maturity Assessment:
> > >>  https://s.apache.org/d88S
> > >
> > >
> > >>  Discussions:
> > >>  https://s.apache.org/5vxO
> > >>  https://s.apache.org/8VkX
> > >>  Vote:
> > >>  https://s.apache.org/suuK
> > >>  (http://markmail.org/message/mawumtfqokgye5xn)
> > >>  Result:
> > >>  https://s.apache.org/Erd0
> > >>  (http://markmail.org/message/qmqvk56ccqkq2gob)
> > >>
> > >>  Please vote on the resolution pasted below to graduate Apache Johnzon
> > >>  from the incubator to top level project.
> > >>
> > >>  [ ] +1 Graduate Apache Johnzon from the Incubator.
> > >>  [ ] +0 Don't care.
> > >>  [ ] -1 Don't graduate Apache Johnzon from the Incubator because ...
> > >>
> > >>  This vote will be open for at least 72 hours.
> > >>
> > >>  Many thanks to our mentors and everyone else for the support,
> > >>
> > >>  Hendrik Saly on behalf of the Apache Johnzon PPMC
> > >>
> > >>  Apache Johnzon top-level project resolution:
> > >>  ============================================
> > >>
> > >>  WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
> > >>  interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
> > >>  Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> > >>  Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> > >>  open-source software, for distribution at no charge to
> > >>  the public, related to JSR-353 compliant JSON parsing and a
> > >>  set of useful modules to help with the usage of JSR-353
> > >>  as well as JSR successors (like JSR-374) or related JSRs
> > >>  (like JSR-367).
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> > >>  Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Johnzon Project",
> > >>  be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> > >>  Foundation; and be it further
> > >>
> > >>  RESOLVED, that the Apache Johnzon Project be and hereby is
> > >>  responsible for the creation and maintenance of software
> > >>  related to JSR-353 compliant JSON parsing and a
> > >>  set of useful modules to help with the usage of JSR-353
> > >>  as well as JSR successors (like JSR-374) or related JSRs
> > >>  (like JSR-367); and be it further
> > >>
> > >>  RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Johnzon" be
> > >>  and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
> > >>  serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
> > >>  of the Apache Johnzon Project, and to have primary responsibility
> > >>  for management of the projects within the scope of
> > >>  responsibility of the Apache Johnzon Project; and be it further
> > >>
> > >>  RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
> > >>  hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
> > >>  Apache Johnzon Project:
> > >>
> > >>  * Justin Mclean <jmclean AT apache.org>
> > >>  * Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibucau AT apache.org>
> > >>  * Jean-Louis Monteiro <jlmonteiro AT apache.org>
> > >>  * Mark Struberg <struberg AT apache.org>
> > >>  * Hendrik Saly <salyh AT apache.org>
> > >>
> > >>  NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Hendrik Saly (salyh)
> > >>  be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Johnzon, to
> > >>  serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
> > >>  Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
> > >>  death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
> > >>  or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
> > >>
> > >>  RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Johnzon PMC be and hereby is
> > >>  tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
> > >>  encourage open development and increased participation in the
> > >>  Apache Johnzon Project; and be it further
> > >>
> > >>  RESOLVED, that the Apache Johnzon Project be and hereby
> > >>  is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
> > >>  Incubator Johnzon podling; and be it further
> > >>
> > >>  RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
> > >>  Incubator Johnzon podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
> > >>  Project are hereafter discharged.
> > >>
> > >>  --
> > >>  Hendrik Saly (salyh, hendrikdev22)
> > >>  @hendrikdev22
> > >>  PGP: 0x22D7F6EC
> > >>
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