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From "John D. Ament" <johndam...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Concerted may be in need of help
Date Thu, 07 Apr 2016 12:49:57 GMT
Sorry to bring back this long dead topic, but wanted to rehash what was
discussed here.

We're now 3 months later, and it seems that Concerted has not improved.  is
it time to call it?

John

On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 3:58 PM Ross Gardler <Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com>
wrote:

> +1
>
> Everyone should read the subject and reset.
>
> If IPMC members having nothing better to offer than "give up" then please
> refrain from offering your advice to mentors asking for constructive help.
>
> That is not to say projects should linger, but unless mentors advise it we
> should not be interfering.
>
> Ross
>
> Sent from my Windows Phone
> ________________________________
> From: Julian Hyde<mailto:jhyde@apache.org>
> Sent: ‎1/‎9/‎2016 12:37 PM
> To: general@incubator.apache.org<mailto:general@incubator.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: Concerted may be in need of help
>
> (Removing dev@concerted from the To: list.)
>
> Good grief. No one is suggesting there should be "steady activity
> requirement". I and other Concerted mentors just have a hunch that the
> project isn't doing well, and thought it would be better to bring our
> concerns to this list earlier rather than later. Let's not turn it
> into a debate over policy. If anyone can think of ways to help this
> project, then we'd love to hear your ideas. If you can't think of ways
> to help the project, or don't think the project needs to be helped,
> then don't help.
>
> Julian
>
> On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 12:21 PM, William A Rowe Jr <wrowe@rowe-clan.net>
> wrote:
> > On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Chris Nauroth <cnauroth@hortonworks.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> As a Concerted mentor, I agree with the concern about lack of
> activity.  I
> >> think this was a difficult month for the project considering both the
> >> general drop in participation and the typical drop in activity that we
> >> should expect to happen around the end-of-year holidays.  The monthly
> >> reporting schedule implicitly requires that an incubating project show
> >> some kind of demonstrable progress month-to-month.  Still, other
> podlings
> >> did manage to sustain activity and complete a report during this time.
> >>
> >> I see John has already raised concern about lack of activity in the
> >> mentor/shepherd notes.  I just seconded that myself.
> >>
> >> Can we consider giving the PPMC a chance to reset and aim to
> re-establish
> >> steady activity this month?
> >
> >
> > What is the steady activity requirement that has been injected into
> > incubation?
> >
> > There are plenty of examples of projects that have enjoyed months and
> some
> > years of lull between bursts of activity, usually around new requirements
> > and
> > interests by patch submittors or committers.
> >
> > By this reconning, there have been a number of times measured in weeks or
> > months that the httpd and tomcat projects should have been folded.  Do we
> > really believe that a steady state of activity is healthy?  On the
> > contrary, it
> > is the bursts of new activity that lead our projects into new and
> > interesting
> > territory, not an n commits/mo target.
> >
> > That said, we don't want podlings to linger here; release early, release
> > often,
> > demonstrate that new contributors are recognized as committers/[p]pmc
> > members, and show us [incubator] that there isn't much more mentorship
> > required for the effort to proceed in the model of the ASF.  A project
> that
> > cannot get to a point of release in some reasonable time, e.g. a year or
> > two, or who takes down their shingle and announces they can't attract a
> > three+ community to sustain their effort, such projects should be
> retired.
>
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