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From Jean-Louis MONTEIRO <jeano...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Graduate Johnzon from the Incubator
Date Mon, 04 Apr 2016 20:14:14 GMT
So, what are the next steps?

Do we have to postpone the graduation and try to bring up more contributors
before?
Or do we want to still graduate and work out the community growth after?

Jean-Louis



Le lun. 4 avr. 2016 à 02:50, Niall Pemberton <niall.pemberton@gmail.com> a
écrit :

> On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 11:54 PM, John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Niali,
>>
>> I don't disagree with your assessment.  In actuality, Johnzon has only
>> added one committer in its 22 months in the incubator, who later joined
>> their PPMC and is now slated to be their VP.  However, adding committers
>> isn't the only form of community growth we expect to see when graduating.
>> JIRA tickets, user input and seeing the developers interact on the various
>> lists are also taken into account.
>>
>
>
>> The fact that the podling has some potential new committers in the
>> pipeline
>> is also great to hear.
>>
>> The minimum viable project is three PMC members.  Johnzon is a bit bigger
>> than that.  You also have to keep in mind that there are some projects
>> that
>> are just gigantic.  Not every project needs to match that structure.
>>
>
> I did some more research and looked at the proposed PMC participation in
> the 10 Johnzon release votes (see attachment) and there are four active
> members. I will withdraw my vote, but I think Johnzon with 4 people and
> only 2 really active on the code is borderline and it needs to recruit more
> people to be sustainable long term.
>
> Niall
>
>
>
>
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 5:58 PM Niall Pemberton <niall.pemberton@gmail.com
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> > On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 8:26 PM, Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de.invalid
>> >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Please look at more current data
>> > >
>> > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-johnzon/graphs/contributors
>> >
>> >
>> > I didn't see your commits today - but otherwise doesn't look alot
>> > difference.
>> >
>> > Also note that there are patches applied from contributors via Jira
>> patches
>> > > and NOT via git-pull. Thus they show not up in the graph above.
>> > >
>> > > From that category we have Reinhard Sandtner (apacheId rsandtner)
>> which
>> > is
>> > > closely looked for as potential committer and Karl Grosse (also on our
>> > > watch list). Both provided patches and contributed in hacking
>> sessions.
>> > >
>> >
>> > Thats great, but I agree with the  June, Sept & Dec 2015 board reports
>> > about growing the committers/ppmc - and I don't understand why that was
>> > reported as a graduation requirement and now its not and Johnzon is
>> ready?
>> >
>> > Niall
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > LieGrue,
>> > > strub
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > On Sunday, 3 April 2016, 20:18, Niall Pemberton <
>> > > niall.pemberton@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > Johnzon reports for June, Sept & Dec 2015 all listed "adding
new
>> > > > committers/pmc members" in the "most important issues to address in
>> > > > the
>> > > > move towards graduation" - but in that time there were no changes
to
>> > the
>> > > > community. So what changed to make the ppmc/mentors now think the
>> > project
>> > > > is ready to graduate?
>> > > >
>> > > > Johnzon has added Hendrik Saly as a committer/ppmc member (Aug 2014
>> /
>> > Apr
>> > > > 2015), but of the 6 original committers listed on the original
>> > proposal,
>> > > > only 3 are on proposed TLP, so the statement in the Maturity model
>> > saying
>> > > > "List of commmitters and PPMC members has grown during incubation"
>> is
>> > > > a bit
>> > > > misleading.
>> > > >
>> > > > From looking at commits, there are only 2 active people[1] and for
>> me
>> > > thats
>> > > > a concern for the projects long term viability and so my vote is -1
>> to
>> > > > graduation.
>> > > >
>> > > > [1] http://markmail.org/search/?q=list%3Aorg.apache.fleece.commits
>> > > >
>> > > > Niall
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 8:49 PM, Hendrik Dev <hendrikdev22@gmail.com
>> >
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >>  The Apache Johnzon community has discussed and voted on
>> graduation to
>> > > >>  a top level project. The vote passed with 8 +1 votes (5 from
the
>> > PPMC)
>> > > >>  and no 0 or -1 votes.
>> > > >>
>> > > >>  Incubation Status:
>> > > >>  http://incubator.apache.org/projects/johnzon.html
>> > > >>  Maturity Assessment:
>> > > >>  https://s.apache.org/d88S
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >>  Discussions:
>> > > >>  https://s.apache.org/5vxO
>> > > >>  https://s.apache.org/8VkX
>> > > >>  Vote:
>> > > >>  https://s.apache.org/suuK
>> > > >>  (http://markmail.org/message/mawumtfqokgye5xn)
>> > > >>  Result:
>> > > >>  https://s.apache.org/Erd0
>> > > >>  (http://markmail.org/message/qmqvk56ccqkq2gob)
>> > > >>
>> > > >>  Please vote on the resolution pasted below to graduate Apache
>> Johnzon
>> > > >>  from the incubator to top level project.
>> > > >>
>> > > >>  [ ] +1 Graduate Apache Johnzon from the Incubator.
>> > > >>  [ ] +0 Don't care.
>> > > >>  [ ] -1 Don't graduate Apache Johnzon from the Incubator because
>> ...
>> > > >>
>> > > >>  This vote will be open for at least 72 hours.
>> > > >>
>> > > >>  Many thanks to our mentors and everyone else for the support,
>> > > >>
>> > > >>  Hendrik Saly on behalf of the Apache Johnzon PPMC
>> > > >>
>> > > >>  Apache Johnzon top-level project resolution:
>> > > >>  ============================================
>> > > >>
>> > > >>  WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>> > > >>  interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
>> > > >>  Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
>> > > >>  Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
>> > > >>  open-source software, for distribution at no charge to
>> > > >>  the public, related to JSR-353 compliant JSON parsing and a
>> > > >>  set of useful modules to help with the usage of JSR-353
>> > > >>  as well as JSR successors (like JSR-374) or related JSRs
>> > > >>  (like JSR-367).
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >>  NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>> > > >>  Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Johnzon Project",
>> > > >>  be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>> > > >>  Foundation; and be it further
>> > > >>
>> > > >>  RESOLVED, that the Apache Johnzon Project be and hereby is
>> > > >>  responsible for the creation and maintenance of software
>> > > >>  related to JSR-353 compliant JSON parsing and a
>> > > >>  set of useful modules to help with the usage of JSR-353
>> > > >>  as well as JSR successors (like JSR-374) or related JSRs
>> > > >>  (like JSR-367); and be it further
>> > > >>
>> > > >>  RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Johnzon"
be
>> > > >>  and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
>> > > >>  serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
>> > > >>  of the Apache Johnzon Project, and to have primary responsibility
>> > > >>  for management of the projects within the scope of
>> > > >>  responsibility of the Apache Johnzon Project; and be it further
>> > > >>
>> > > >>  RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
>> > > >>  hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
>> > > >>  Apache Johnzon Project:
>> > > >>
>> > > >>  * Justin Mclean <jmclean AT apache.org>
>> > > >>  * Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibucau AT apache.org>
>> > > >>  * Jean-Louis Monteiro <jlmonteiro AT apache.org>
>> > > >>  * Mark Struberg <struberg AT apache.org>
>> > > >>  * Hendrik Saly <salyh AT apache.org>
>> > > >>
>> > > >>  NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Hendrik Saly (salyh)
>> > > >>  be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Johnzon,
to
>> > > >>  serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
>> > > >>  Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
>> > > >>  death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
>> > > >>  or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>> > > >>
>> > > >>  RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Johnzon PMC be and hereby is
>> > > >>  tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
>> > > >>  encourage open development and increased participation in the
>> > > >>  Apache Johnzon Project; and be it further
>> > > >>
>> > > >>  RESOLVED, that the Apache Johnzon Project be and hereby
>> > > >>  is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
>> > > >>  Incubator Johnzon podling; and be it further
>> > > >>
>> > > >>  RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
>> > > >>  Incubator Johnzon podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
>> > > >>  Project are hereafter discharged.
>> > > >>
>> > > >>  --
>> > > >>  Hendrik Saly (salyh, hendrikdev22)
>> > > >>  @hendrikdev22
>> > > >>  PGP: 0x22D7F6EC
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
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