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From "John D. Ament" <johndam...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Allowed Champions on podlings
Date Thu, 24 Mar 2016 21:34:10 GMT
On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 5:25 PM Jakob Homan <jghoman@gmail.com> wrote:

> So, it's been a week with no objections.  Craig's concern could also
> be addressed by allowing Officers to join the IPMC in the same way
> that Members can.
>
>  I'd like to see this question resolved so that we progress the
> Airflow proposal to a vote with Chris Riccomini as Champion (VP of
> Samza).  He'd do an awesome job as champion and we'd like to get
> started with the vote.
>

Jakob,

Not sure if your comments are relevant on this thread or the thread w/
Marvin on it.  Basically, with Marvin's incoming change, the champion role
will be clarified as being responsible for only the bootstrap of the
candidate into a vote for acceptance in to the incubator.

There should be nothing blocking discussion/voting on Airflow based on it.

John



>
> -Jakob
>
>
> On 21 March 2016 at 09:57, Craig Russell <craig.russell@oracle.com> wrote:
> > There is a sorta technical reason for the Champion to be a member of the
> PMC of the sponsor.
> >
> > I’d expect the Champion to subscribe to the private@ list and to have
> binding votes on podling releases. These both require PMC membership.
> >
> > The alternative is to create two different “exceptions” that would allow
> Champions to subscribe to private@ and to have binding release votes.
> >
> > Craig
> >
> >> On Mar 20, 2016, at 6:39 PM, Marvin Humphrey <marvin@rectangular.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 2:53 AM, Tim Williams <williamstw@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Without judging the goodness of it... I'd just point out that
> >>> currently in the non-Member Officer case, they must be a member of the
> >>> Sponsoring PMC.  I thought that was true of Members as well, btw, but
> >>> thought I'd point out that it's not simply Members and Officers.
> >>
> >> Thanks for bringing that up, Tim.
> >>
> >> In my view, this rule is too complicated, and therefore I support John's
> >> initiative to allow Champions to be any ASF Member or Officer.  Here is
> a
> >> patch implementing his proposal:
> >>
> >>    https://paste.apache.org/LwdO
> >>
> >> The primary utility of requiring the Champion to have certain
> qualifications
> >> is to ensure that projects contemplating incubation get good guidance,
> so that
> >> they either produce a sound proposal or make an informed decision not to
> >> incubate. (I've seen both happen, as have others who have served as a
> >> Champion.)
> >>
> >> But by the time a full-blown proposal lands on general@incubator, it's
> too
> >> late to go back and change the guidance that the candidate project
> received.
> >> Thus, when this rule is misunderstood, the only effect is that we end
> up in a
> >> distracting debate about whether to replace a Champion whose most
> important
> >> work is already done.  This does not help the prospective podling, nor
> does it
> >> inoculate future prospective podlings against receiving poor guidance
> from an
> >> unqualified Champion.
> >>
> >> These days, the Sponsor is nearly always the Incubator, anyway.  I
> don't think
> >> the IPMC objects to having Officers who are neither ASF Members nor IPMC
> >> members serve as Champion for proposals where the Incubator is the
> Sponsor.
> >>
> >> In the unlikely event that there is a podling proposal where the
> Sponsor is
> >> not the Incubator AND the Champion is neither an ASF Member nor a
> member of
> >> the Sponsoring PMC AND the Sponsoring PMC objects... we can cross that
> bridge
> >> when we come to it.
> >>
> >> In the meantime, I don't think the present rule offers enough value to
> justify
> >> its complexity.
> >>
> >> Marvin Humphrey
> >>
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> >
> > Craig L Russell
> > Architect
> > craig.russell@oracle.com
> > P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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