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From "John D. Ament" <johndam...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Policy should be simple (was "Allowed Champions on podlings")
Date Wed, 23 Mar 2016 01:43:59 GMT
On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 9:35 PM Marvin Humphrey <marvin@rectangular.com>
wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 1:56 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <roman@shaposhnik.org>
> wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 22, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Julian Hyde <jhyde.apache@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> If you want to simplify policy, get rid of the champion.
> >> Or rather, reduce the champion’s role to nominating a project for
> incubation.
> >> Once the project has entered incubation, the champion’s role ends.
> >
> > +1000 to the above. With all of my experience getting projects through
> the
> > incubation I couldn't find a single instance where a Champion role would
> > prove to be really valuable ON TOP of active mentor(s).
>
> +1, I would be in favor of this.
>
> Let's make sure that we consider Julian's proposal separately from John's.
>

I'm assuming you mean here my proposed edit to who can champion a podling,
right?


>
> The expansion of Champion role dates from 2011-2012, and I think it's fair
> to
> characterize the initiative as an attempt to deal with Mentor attrition:
>
>     https://s.apache.org/XcKn
>
>     Yes, that's the idea - basically make sure the Champion makes sure the
>     podling is reporting consistently and its mentors are present.
>
> Thanks largely to Roman's efforts to get Mentor signoff happening
> consistently, we've addressed Mentor attrition a different way.
>
> 1.  Mentors must sign off on podling reports, or the podling report is
>     removed from the monthly Board report.
> 2.  The Report Manager tracks missing podling reports.
> 3.  When a podling has not reported for 2 months in a row, the Mentors are
>     contacted via private@incubator.
> 4.  If no Mentors are available to resolve the issue, then the issue is
>     escalated to a public search for new Mentors.
>
> Back when expanding the Champion role was considered, there was stiff
> resistance to Mentor signoff, so our current approach was not feasible.
> However, it seems to me that the expanded Champion role is now obsolete and
> that therefore Julian's proposal is sound.
>

I knew I wasn't making stuff up (again).  I suppose what happened was that
people ratified Roman's changes, but then the site was never updated.


>
> Here is a patch:
>
>     https://paste.apache.org/Ersh
>
> If no one formally lodges a -1, I will claim lazy consensus and apply this
> patch no sooner than a week from now, after discussion has died down.
>

One minor question - do we eliminate the champion attribute of existing
podlings?  Do we simply stop recording champion?  How do we ensure that the
champion is actually doing stuff instead of someone using that champion's
name in vain?


>
> Marvin Humphrey
>
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