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From Chip Senkbeil <chip.senkb...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Update on Apache Toree and LGPL dependency
Date Thu, 17 Mar 2016 13:24:34 GMT
Just wanted to give a status update with this one. JeroMQ is down to just
four contributors that have not responded. The current, active committers
for JeroMQ have reverted the commits for one of the contributors here:

https://github.com/zeromq/jeromq/pull/333

So, progress is still being made on this one!

> +1
>
> > On Mar 6, 2016, at 6:58 PM, Gino Bustelo <lbustelo@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > @john The 0mq ecosystem is made up of many projects of different sizes
and maturity.
> In the case of JeroMQ, the committers are showing an overwhelming
momentum to transition to
> MPL. I don't see any reason for us to consider any other alternative at
this juncture.
> >
> > Gino B.
> >
> >> On Mar 5, 2016, at 11:42 PM, Henri Yandell <bayard@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Having chatted around the 0mq community in the past; I've confidence in
> >> their desire to move to MPL; and 26/32 committers is a great step
forward.
> >> You raise a good reservation though John - if you remove the blocker
on the
> >> usage side, it's easy for the licensing to remain as is.
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm +1 for releasing, with a prominent note of the LGPL dependency
(along
> >> with a note of the resolution plan). It might be that the Toree
committers
> >> may be motivated to rewrite code over at 0mq if there ends up being any
> >> committers who are unavailable or unwilling to relicense.
> >>
> >> Hen
> >>
> >>> On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 3:45 PM, John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org>
wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Sorry, misread the revision I was looking at.  The intent to move to
MPL
> >>> was done on March 22 2014, 2 years ago this month, not December 2013.
> >>>
> >>> John
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 6:41 PM John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I have some reservations with what you're proposing, and would like
you
> >>> to
> >>>> consult w/ legal-discuss on this first.
> >>>>
> >>>> There's a difference between what Mynewt did and what you're
proposing.
> >>>> Specifically, this was a transitive dependency that they relied upon
> >>>> indirectly, so its more of a call out for the library that was
leveraging
> >>>> it.  They also intended to replace the library.
> >>>>
> >>>> In your case, you're directly tied to a presently LGPL'd library.
You
> >>>> have no intentions (from what I can see) of moving off of the
library.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm also doubting their long term goals of moving to MPL.  If you
look at
> >>>> [1], you'll see that the page hasn't been updated since October
2014.  In
> >>>> addition, looking at the pages revision history (the beauty of
wikis),
> >>> the
> >>>> intent to move to MPL was published in December 2013, making the
> >>> statement
> >>>> over 2 years old.
> >>>>
> >>>> I think while this might be OK for an initial incubator release, the
> >>>> project needs to weigh very heavily if it wants to continue to
leverage
> >>>> ZeroMQ or not going forward.
> >>>>
> >>>> [1]: http://zeromq.org/area:licensing
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 5:06 PM Gino Bustelo <gino@bustelos.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Wanted to give folks an update on our progress with dealing with
JeroMQ,
> >>>>> an
> >>>>> LGPL package that enables us to communicate via 0MQ. The 0MQ
community
> >>> is
> >>>>> very aware of the issues with LGPL (LGPLv3 + static link exception)
and
> >>> it
> >>>>> is their intention to try to move projects to MPL v2. This is not
an
> >>> easy
> >>>>> task depending on the age and size of the projects.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Apache Toree's API access point is through the 0MQ transport layer
> >>> (using
> >>>>> JeroMQ) and that is how Apache Toree connects out-of-the-box with
> >>> Jupyter,
> >>>>> a very common way of consuming Apache Toree that is already in
> >>> production.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> At this point, the JeroMQ project is still released under LGPL,
but
our
> >>>>> team initiated communications in mid-February with members of the
JeroMQ
> >>>>> community to begin their transition to MPL v2 (
> >>>>> https://github.com/zeromq/jeromq/issues/326). The JeroMQ community
> >>>>> reacted
> >>>>> very positively and quickly began the process of collecting votes
from
> >>>>> their committers (https://github.com/zeromq/jeromq/issues/327).
After
> >>> 15
> >>>>> days, the current tally stands at 26 out of 32 committers have
agreed
> to
> >>>>> switch license.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Apache Toree has a JIRA (
> >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TOREE-262)
> >>>>> where we keep all the relevant links and update with the latest
> >>>>> information. As that process is underway, we will move forward with
> >>> plans
> >>>>> to release a 0.1.0 version of Apache Toree based on the precedence
set
> >>> by
> >>>>> Apache Mynewt (
> >>>
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201602.mbox/%3C5F118AA0-4ADA-403B-A6EB-4A85F0B30651%40me.com%3E
> >>>>> ).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>> Gino
> >>>
> >
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