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From Greg Stein <>
Subject Re: Hosting links to pre-Apache releases
Date Mon, 21 Mar 2016 23:25:53 GMT
Sorry... I missed this last week.

Apache Subversion did not move old releases onto ASF hardware until after
we graduated. At that point, we moved them directly onto
archive.a.o/dist/subversion. They are not ASF releases, but they are useful
from an archival standpoint. We certainly had an advantage that all the
early releases were under an Apache Software License v1.1 style of license.
Part of our move into the ASF was also to switch the codebase to ALv2.

The theory we used was that many of the ASF's releases contain third-party
code under compatible licenses. Meaning, we *already* host third-party code
on archive.a.o, so these old releases did not violate any existing policy.
In fact, being releases of now-Apache software, they fit even better on
archive.a.o than true/remaining third-party, license-compatible code.

Hope that helps,

On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Frank McQuillan <>

> Thank you all for your comments and guidance.
> Based on this thread, the plan is:
> Add a download sub-page to
> This download page will list the MADlib ASF (incubating) releases which
> are downloadable from Apache infra.  For pre-ASF releases, we clearly
> indicate that these are not ASF releases, and host these downloads on a 3rd
> party site.
> Regards,
> Frank
> On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Stian Soiland-Reyes <>
> wrote:
>> On 14 March 2016 at 23:52, Roman Shaposhnik <> wrote:
>> > Agreed. The good news is that the previous license has an added benefit
>> > of being compatible with ALv2, but of course we still have to be
>> crystal clear
>> > on that.
>> >
>> > Any good example of this that currently exist in ASF?
>> Here's an example of how we do the non-ASF download links for
>> Taverna Workbench (as we have not yet released the Workbench
>> repository under ASF):
>> (Comments welcome!)
>> To play safe we made it so the *.exe download links here actually
>> don't download directly, but go to a third-party legacy page where you
>> have to select again.   It could be that such a page could just be a
>> Launchpad, BinTray,  BitBucket or GitHub Releases, which should be
>> good alternatives for hosting the pre-Apache binaries.  So perhaps you
>> would be able to link to say
>> ?
>> It should be easy for madlib's case as you don't have binary
>> distributions.
>> >> Note we probably don't want to host the actual downloads themselves;
>> >> just point to the existing old download page.
>> > Actually, we'd rather move the bits to ASF infra (if that's ok).
>> Hmm... although their Apache license would permit this, those earlier
>> releases has not gone through IP review.
>> I think this would be confusing as then ASF would be hosting downloads
>> for non-ASF-vetted releases - which would also be against policy.
>> Technically ASF also uses the mirror network for downloads - do we
>> want to inject non-ASF releases there?
>> --
>> Stian Soiland-Reyes
>> Apache Taverna (incubating), Apache Commons RDF (incubating)
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