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From Marvin Humphrey <>
Subject Re: Allowed Champions on podlings
Date Mon, 21 Mar 2016 01:39:48 GMT
On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 2:53 AM, Tim Williams <> wrote:

> Without judging the goodness of it... I'd just point out that
> currently in the non-Member Officer case, they must be a member of the
> Sponsoring PMC.  I thought that was true of Members as well, btw, but
> thought I'd point out that it's not simply Members and Officers.

Thanks for bringing that up, Tim.

In my view, this rule is too complicated, and therefore I support John's
initiative to allow Champions to be any ASF Member or Officer.  Here is a
patch implementing his proposal:

The primary utility of requiring the Champion to have certain qualifications
is to ensure that projects contemplating incubation get good guidance, so that
they either produce a sound proposal or make an informed decision not to
incubate. (I've seen both happen, as have others who have served as a

But by the time a full-blown proposal lands on general@incubator, it's too
late to go back and change the guidance that the candidate project received.
Thus, when this rule is misunderstood, the only effect is that we end up in a
distracting debate about whether to replace a Champion whose most important
work is already done.  This does not help the prospective podling, nor does it
inoculate future prospective podlings against receiving poor guidance from an
unqualified Champion.

These days, the Sponsor is nearly always the Incubator, anyway.  I don't think
the IPMC objects to having Officers who are neither ASF Members nor IPMC
members serve as Champion for proposals where the Incubator is the Sponsor.

In the unlikely event that there is a podling proposal where the Sponsor is
not the Incubator AND the Champion is neither an ASF Member nor a member of
the Sponsoring PMC AND the Sponsoring PMC objects... we can cross that bridge
when we come to it.

In the meantime, I don't think the present rule offers enough value to justify
its complexity.

Marvin Humphrey

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