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From James Malone <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Apache Dataflow Incubator Proposal
Date Fri, 22 Jan 2016 01:19:03 GMT
Thank you for such a detailed response Marvin!

Everything you mention makes a lot of sense. Needless to say, we don't want
to squander cycles, break any rules, or throw velocity into disarray all
due to a name.

To that end, I am going to work with JB to amend the proposal with respect
to renaming. I'm also going to clarify a name change would be an
immediate-term to-do item so it does not block creation creation of lists,
repositories, and so on.



I am going to work with JB to amend the proposal to indicate

On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Marvin Humphrey <>

> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 3:30 PM, James Malone
> <> wrote:
> > If we need to rename, we would ideally choose a new name, change the
> > project name at that time, and start our refactoring with that new name.
> Is
> > is acceptable for us to flag a name change as something we need to do as
> a
> > near-term (1st month) item in incubation (if accepted)? If a rename is
> > required I'd like to add it to our to-do roadmap but also not block our
> > proposal on a renaming. I ask so we can address this concern in the best
> > way possible.
> That's acceptable.  Project naming issues do not block entry into the
> Incubator, they block graduation from the Incubator.
> Because "dataflow" is descriptive, it will be hard to defend as
> a trademark.  The Wikipedia article on trademark distinctiveness explains
> things well:
> A weak mark both increases the amount of volunteer effort that goes
> into dealing with infringement cases and makes bad outcomes more likely.
> It is not an absolute requirement that Apache projects have defensible
> names,
> but painful past experience has taught us that mishandled branding can deal
> surprising amounts of damage to a project community.
> But beyond that, the issue of "Google Cloud Dataflow" vs. "Apache
> Dataflow" is
> a blocker.  One or the other will have to be renamed, and since the
> software
> is being donated but apparently not the brand, it sounds like renaming the
> prospective Apache project will be required and you should add that task to
> your roadmap.
> Changing names in the middle of incubation is disruptive because it
> requires
> renaming infrastructure resources, impacting both the Apache Infrastructure
> team and also the podling's developer and user communities.  My suggestion
> would be that immediately after the VOTE to enter incubation concludes, you
> only create a dev mailing list and deal with the renaming immediately,
> delaying the creation of other resources until after the renaming is
> resolved.
> However, the exact plan is something you can work out with your Mentors.
> Marvin Humphrey
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