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From Thorsten Schöning <>
Subject Re: Help for the Log4cxx podling
Date Fri, 08 Jan 2016 16:19:35 GMT
Guten Tag William A Rowe Jr,
am Freitag, 8. Januar 2016 um 15:33 schrieben Sie:

> Forty forks means 40 prospective committers.

Or just people, like some of those currently involved, which change
things once in a while because of bugs or such. I'm always just happy
if my fixes are simply merged without participating in further
development too much.

> Nothing is solved by "moving"
> the project to github if their changes are never moved back to the ASF.

I disagree: I'm doing at least some level of support and merge patches
once a while, depending on their nature and such. The problem now is
that such an amount of work and "community" ;-) would not be enough
for your incubation rules and the Apache way, so you would need to
decide that it's "better" to keep me off the repo entirely instead of
just letting me do what I'm able to provide AND what is somewhat
requested by at least some users. That's a decision you make based on
your project/organisation rules, but it doesn't change if there's at
least some demand for maintenance of any kind, it's just that the
project doesn't fit to your rules anymore.

The problem and difference to GitHub I see now with the Attic is, that
you have a huge, centralized SVN repo, which is very hard to clone for
interested persons like me for technically reasons. When I tried some
years ago, you actively blocked me just because I fetched revisions a
week or so... :-) So if you decide that the project is dead, with the
same decision you might prevent people access to the very valuable
history of the project simply for practical reasons, because we are
not allowed to clone it 2 weeks or the amount of data is just to huge
with all those empty revisions or whatever.

If the project is additionally hosted on GitHub and not only in Attic,
it would be simpler for still interested people to fork and make use
of it. I see that as somewhat special to Apache's Attic concept, and
maybe even the use of SVN, though I like SVN a lot: To me it looks
like that hosting all Attic projects on a platform enabling easier
forking of the entire project history would be a great idea.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,

Thorsten Schöning

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