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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 12:25:27 +0100
From: Daniel Dekany <ddekany@freemail.hu>
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Subject: Re: Non-voted Release Candidate binary downloadable from project
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OK thanks, makes sense, then RC-s at FreeMarker will go through the
same process as final releases (except that they don't go to stable
Maven Repo-s such as the Central).

This, however, means that sometimes we will have two "latest releases"
under http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/freemarker/engine/, like
2.3.24-incubating/ and 2.3.25-incubating-rc1/. I hope that's fine.
(The release policy says "/www.apache.org/dist should contain the
latest release in each branch that is currently under development.",
which doesn't strictly stand here.)


Wednesday, December 30, 2015, 9:33:27 PM, John D. Ament wrote:

> Perhaps once way to deal with this is to formally vote on the RC so
> that it is official, even if it keeps the RC name.
>
> John
>
> On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 3:15 PM Marvin Humphrey <marvin@rectangular.com> wrote:
> Hi Daniel,
>
> Have a look through Apache's offical _Release Policy_ and _Release
> Distribution Policy_ documents.
>
>     http://www.apache.org/legal/release-policy
>     http://www.apache.org/dev/release-distribution
>
> Those policy documents (not the accompanying FAQs, just the Policies) are
> canonical.
>
> On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 6:55 AM, Daniel Dekany <ddekany@freemail.hu> wrote:
>
>> We at project FreeMarker intend to issue a Release Candidate under
>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/. Note that it's just
>> "dev", not "release".
>
> Good so far... the `dev` section of `dist.apache.org` is precisely the right
> place to upload release candidates to share with other members of the
> FreeMarker dev community.
>
>> There will be both source and binary RC release artifacts.
>
> OK, but please note the source and binary archives are not equal.  The source
> archive is the official release and (from the perspective of the Foundation)
> the binary is optional.
>
>> As I understand, this so far doesn't require any voting, as
>> it will be the subject of the later voting (on dev@freemaker first).
>
> Correct -- putting the RC archive into the `dev` section of `dist.apache.org`
> does not require previous PMC approval.
>
>> The binary artifact will be linked on the top of the FreeMarker
>> homepage for testing for one month. At least this is how it was done
>> prior ASF. An RC like that used to have around a 50-100 downloads
>> during the RC period (plus the Maven staging repo downloads), so
>> hopefully it's not a technical issue that it's a download directly
>> from "repos".
>
> There are two problems here.
>
> First, please do not expose unreleased materials to people outside the dev
> community.
>
>     http://www.apache.org/legal/release-policy#publication
>
>     ... Projects MUST direct outsiders towards official releases rather than
>     raw source repositories, nightly builds, snapshots, release candidates, or
>     any other similar packages. The only people who are supposed to know about
>     such developer resources are individuals actively participating in
>     development or following the dev list and thus aware of the conditions
>     placed on unreleased materials.
>
> Second, please do not provide any direct links to the ASF's subversion
> repositories from public-facing download pages.  This holds not only for
> release candidates but also for approved official releases.  Anything that
> ends up in the `release` section of `dist.apache.org` is also available from
> the ASF mirror network -- please use the mirror network for distribution to
> the general public.
>
>> Is this procedure OK in ASF? I mean, we *kind of* publish something
>> that wasn't voted on, at least not on incubator general.
>
> If it is important to you for the user community to test out a version of the
> software before it become official, the solution is to run two VOTEs: one for
> the beta (or whatever you want to call it) and one for the final release.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Marvin Humphrey
>
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-- 
Thanks,
 Daniel Dekany


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