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From Ross Gardler <Ross.Gard...@microsoft.com>
Subject RE: [PORPOSAL] Fineract
Date Sun, 06 Dec 2015 04:47:25 GMT
I'll repeat again, we want contributors who will work within the community. Nobody is turned
 away.

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From: Tim Williams<mailto:williamstw@gmail.com>
Sent: ‎12/‎5/‎2015 8:15 PM
To: general@incubator.apache.org<mailto:general@incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [PORPOSAL] Fineract

On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Ross Gardler
<Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com> wrote:
> Nobody is turned away.

Jedi mind tricks won't work on me Ross:)  When someone says, "We are
not seeking more." it is the same as being turned away.

For the rest of it, I reckon we'll have to agree to disagree.  The
bottom line is, someone [Jim] who's eminently qualified to help mentor
a new group of folks volunteered.  It's fair to assume that he, I, and
you understand that he understood what that role was when he
volunteered.

>Mentors don't do the work. Contributors do. Mentors do not make decisions. Contributors
so. Mentors have " binding votes" but that is just because of the structure we have in the
ASF, a good mentor will only ever use that vote to enact the wishes of the community.

I understand just as well as you how things work Ross. Please check
yourself before going into condescending-lecture-mode, it's remarkably
uncool and uninviting. As a dood, its really weird to be mansplained
to!  But, thanks Champ!

> This is the opposite of "counter cultural".

Which would be... cultural?  Meaning, you're suggesting it's the norm
to turn away ridiculously qualified volunteers for a particular role
in a community?

> Contributors are what matter not mentors.

Seems another mind trick.  While in incubation mentors are
contributors - contributors to cultural understanding.  They
contribute to helping a podling bootstrap in our infrastructure and
grok the Apache Way.  To turn away a potential mentor is to turn away
a contributor.  Ignoring a mentor's impact/contributions to a
community seems naive at best.

Regardless of the semantics, on a practical level, a person like Jim
shows up offering to help a new community understand how to develop
community-driven software, I say *you take the help*.  Period.  Same
for Greg, which you apparently agreed based on some arbitrary N<=3.

Again, I wish you and Fineract the best...

--tim

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